There is also such a thing called "good engineering practice". Regardless of legal requirements, one is also required to use sound engineering judgement based on current knowledge. A vulture, I mean a lawyer would run hoops around you if comes to courts.
Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Greenman <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:29 am Subject: Re: Antifreeze TIA Applicability? To: [email protected] > But if a jurisdiction has a adopted an NFPA standard as part of their > code, say Washington adopts 2009 IBC which references NFPA > 13/2007 and > then Bellevue amends that to the 13/2010 edition (this is the > case and > legal in this state), and then NFPA issues a TIA or an errata doesn't > that become part of the adopted code, at least in Bellevue? I'm > thinking that if there's a typo requiring say a seismic brace > with 24 > feet of a change in direction and later an errata is published > correcting the typo it would automatically become valid legally > regardless if everybody but that one moron knew what the intent > originally was. If you publish an official copy of the Ten Commandants > that says "Thou shalt covet they neighbor's wife," then that is the > law where that law is in force until it's corrected. I would > think a > TIA would be the same. And of course it ultimately rests on which > party has the cleverer snake, er, lawyer. Thoughts? > > On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Chris Cahill > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Really it doesn't matter what NFPA intends. You are correct > legally it > > doesn't apply to older codes. Probably doesn't legally apply > to the 2010 > > unless specifically adopted by the jurisdiction. > Jurisdictions usually have > > processes to adopt law that don't defer to NFPA. NFPA doesn't > make law. A > > fire marshal can't write an order to follow the TIA. That's > the legal > > matter. On the civil side, like a loss of any kind, you the > fire marshal > > will not be issuing a ticket but the contractor will be served > civil papers > > by the insurance company that paid on the loss. There it is > up to who has > > the better lawyer and/or which side fights the longest to find > out if it > > applies in that case. Different cases, different judges, different > > insurance companies will have different outcomes. > > > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Dave Phelan > > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:32 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Antifreeze TIA Applicability? > > > > As I read the TIA's and supporting documents on the antifreeze > issue I see > > they all reference the 2010 editions of the NFPA Sprinkler > standards.> > > What impact does these NFPA TIA's have on any prior editions? > If any - > > > > I'm asking because this state is currently using the 2007 > editions under the > > 2009 IBC . So when a TIA is issued on the current NFPA edition > does NFPA > > intend for it to have any effect on the prior editions which > may very well > > be the prevailing codes in a state / jurisdiction? My gut > tells me it > > doesn't apply to other editions unless they specifically make that > > stipulation but that wouldn't necessarily change the science > of the problem. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > Dave P. in NJ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: > [email protected]> > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:Sprinklerforum- > [email protected]> (Put the word unsubscribe in the > subject field) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: > [email protected]> > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:Sprinklerforum- > [email protected]> (Put the word unsubscribe in the > subject field) > > > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > Instructor > Fire Protection Engineering Technology > Bates Technical College > 1101 So. Yakima Ave. > Tacoma, WA 98405 > > [email protected] > > http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ > > 253.680.7346 > 253.576.9700 (cell) > > Member: > ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC > > They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis > Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:Sprinklerforum- > [email protected](Put the word unsubscribe in the > subject field) > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
