That is my stance, as stated by 13R. The issue is the building official is interpretating 2009 IBC 903.3.1.2.1 to include open breezeways. There is clearly no reference what so ever to breezeways. I was just looking to see if anyone had any interpretations from the IBC on this.
Thanks, Eric Tysinger CET NICET III - 108988 Designer Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc. 4370 Motorsport Drive Concord, NC 28027 p: (704)782-3032 x1751 f: (704)795-6838 C: (239)633-9703 -----Original Message----- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Drucker Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:20 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: IBC and Breezeways 2009 IBC/IFC (Model Code - Not Jurisdiction Specific) [F] 903.2.8 Group R. An automatic sprinkler system installed in accordance with Section 903.3 shall be provided throughout all buildings with a Group R fire area. [F] 903.3.1.2 NFPA 13R sprinkler systems. Where allowed in buildings of Group R, up to and including four stories in height, automatic sprinkler systems shall be installed throughout in accordance with NFPA 13R. 2007 NFPA-13R 4.3 Basic Requirements. 4.3.1 The requirements for spacing, location, and position of sprinklers shall be based on the following principles: (1) Sprinklers shall be installed throughout the premises. (4) Sprinklers shall be permitted to be omitted from areas specifically allowed by this standard (see Section 6.9). 6.9 Location of Sprinklers. 6.9.1 Sprinklers shall be installed in all areas except where omission is permitted by 6.9.2 through 6.9.7. 6.9.5 Sprinklers shall not be required in any porches, balconies, corridors, and stairs that are open and attached. _______________________________________________________________ 13R-19 Log #19 AUT-RSS Final Action: Accept in Principle (6.9.5) Submitter: Phillip A. Brown, American Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc. Comment on Proposal No: 13R-44 Recommendation: Add new text to read as follows: A.6.9.5 An example of an open corridor or breezeway is one that empties to an outside stairway and has no doors attached to it. Another example is an exterior wraparound corridor that is typical in a two- to three-story motel. Substantiation: Guidance is needed to help explain what the word "open" means as used in 6.9.5. The comment found in the Handbook helps explain what "open" means and should be brought forward into the annex. Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Revise proposal to read as follows: A.6.9.5 An example of an open corridor or breezeway is one that is exposed to the outside atmosphere (temperature) and empties to an unenclosed stairway and has no doors attached to it. Another example is an exterior wraparound corridor that is typical in a two- to three-story motel. Committee Statement: Further clarifies the intent of the committee and the standard in defining an open corridor. Number Eligible to Vote: 25 Ballot Results: Affirmative: 23 Negative: 1 Ballot Not Returned: 1 Schirmer, C. Explanation of Negative: HAAGENSEN, D.: In the Northeast, there are many situations where a porch/ balcony may be almost entirely enclosed except for some small screened windows, thereby creating a space where heated fire gases during a fire will build up and not allow for tenability in the space. The guidance given in the new Annex will suggest that such a space is "open". 2009 IBC/IRC [F] 903.3.1.2.1 Balconies and decks. Sprinkler protection shall be provided for exterior balconies, decks and ground floor patios of dwelling units where the building is of Type V construction, provided there is a roof or deck above. Sidewall sprinklers that are used to protect such areas shall be permitted to be located such that their deflectors are within 1 inch (25 mm) to 6 inches (152 mm) below the structural members and a maximum distance of 14 inches (356 mm) below the deck of the exterior balconies and decks that are constructed of open wood joist construction. 102.1 General. Where there is a conflict between a general requirement and a specific requirement, the specific requirement shall be applicable. Where, in any specific case, different sections of this code specify different materials, methods of construction or other requirements, the most restrictive shall govern. 102.4 Referenced codes and standards. The codes and standards referenced in this code shall be considered part of the requirements of this code to the prescribed extent of each such reference. Where differences occur between provisions of this code and referenced codes and standards, the provisions of this code shall apply. 104.1 General. The building official is hereby authorized and directed to enforce the provisions of this code. The building official shall have the authority to render interpretations of this code and to adopt policies and procedures in order to clarify the application of its provisions. Such interpretations, policies and procedures shall be in compliance with the intent and purpose of this code. Such policies and procedures shall not have the effect of waiving requirements specifically provided for in this code. Hope this helps, John Drucker, CET Fire Protection Subcode Official Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector Fire Marshals Office Borough of Red Bank, NJ Not the official position of any agency, association, committee or otherwise. Obtain required applications, permits, inspections and approvals from Authority(s) Having Jurisdiction. -----Original Message----- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Eric Tysinger Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 4:18 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: IBC and Breezeways Good afternoon all, I have a NFPA 13R (Type V) project that falls under the 2009 IBC. I know per 903.3.1.2.1, balconies, decks and ground floor patios require sprinkler protection. I have an AHJ stating that this also includes open breezeways/corridors. Whets everyone's opinion on this? I don't think it does, that section specifically refers to dwelling units as does the commentary. 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