Matt, Thank you and I agree. Thats why I was asking - they had the key words leading to retail storage but they specifically call out the sprinklers and the Table for Misc Storage in their specs.
Bobby Gillett Sr. Project Manager Key Fire Protection, Inc. (731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax (731) 267-4853 cell [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Grise Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 6:18 AM To: '[email protected]' Subject: RE: Retail Store Design It sounds like they are looking for the retail requirements - especially since they use the term 'gondola racks'. Also, Misc storage is limited to 4000 sf and is supposed to be 'incidental to another occupancy use'. Also, if you go with the standard storage criteria for racks with solid shelves, you will have in-rack sprinklers. Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP Sales Engineer Alliance Fire Protection 130 w 9th Ave. North Kansas City, MO 64116 *Licensed in KS & MO 913.888.0647 ph 913.888.0618 f 913.927.0222 cell www. AFPsprink.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 12:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Retail Store Design I am working on system design for a major retail chain for office products; Top of steel is 19'-0 high, exposed structure - their specs call for standard response brass upright 286° sprinklers and say the following: A. "All fire protection systems for the entire retail sales and receiving areas shall meet the requirements for storage of commodities in single row and double row racks as well as solid shelf gondola racks which have an overall width greater than 30 inches and for storage of commodities to a maximum height of 12'-0 AFF." And then refers to NFPA 13 2002 Table 12.1.10.1.1. (which is Misc Storage up to 12' in height). E. " The sprinkler system for the entire retail sales and receiving areas shall be designed in accordance with NFPA 13 requirements for gondola storage greater than 30 inches in overall width, which are treated as racks with solid shelving, in addition to single and double row rack storage of Class I-IV non-encapsulated commodities to an overall height of 12'-0 AFF. According to their specs, it appears they are applying NFPA 13 -2002 Misc storage 12.1.10 (Chapter 13 in NFPA 2007). My question is - When do you apply NFPA 13 2002 - 12.7.2 (NFPA 13 2007 - 20.3)? Would the scenario above apply to these chapters or would it be Misc Storage? Thank you, Bobby Gillett Sr. Project Manager Key Fire Protection, Inc. (731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax (731) 267-4853 cell <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1321 / Virus Database: 1500/3565 - Release Date: 04/11/11 _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
