Bobby, I am on the road so I didn't look this up but last week I was looking up some criteria for storage and was referred back to the criteria for misc. Storage.
So maybe that's what is happening? On Apr 11, 2011 6:44 AM, "Bobby Gillett" <[email protected]> wrote: > Matt, > > Thank you and I agree. That’s why I was asking - they had the key words > leading to retail storage but they specifically call out the sprinklers and > the Table for Misc Storage in their specs. > > Bobby Gillett > Sr. Project Manager > Key Fire Protection, Inc. > (731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax > (731) 267-4853 cell > [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Grise > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 6:18 AM > To: '[email protected]' > Subject: RE: Retail Store Design > > It sounds like they are looking for the retail requirements - especially > since they use the term 'gondola racks'. Also, Misc storage is limited to > 4000 sf and is supposed to be 'incidental to another occupancy use'. Also, > if you go with the standard storage criteria for racks with solid shelves, > you will have in-rack sprinklers. > > Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP > Sales Engineer > Alliance Fire Protection > 130 w 9th Ave. > North Kansas City, MO 64116 > > *Licensed in KS & MO > > 913.888.0647 ph > 913.888.0618 f > 913.927.0222 cell > www. AFPsprink.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 12:40 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Retail Store Design > > I am working on system design for a major retail chain for office products; > Top of steel is 19'-0 high, exposed structure - their specs call for > standard response brass upright 286° sprinklers and say the following: > > > > A. "All fire protection systems for the entire retail sales and receiving > areas shall meet the requirements for storage of commodities in single row > and double row racks as well as solid shelf gondola racks which have an > overall width greater than 30 inches and for storage of commodities to a > maximum height of 12'-0 AFF." And then refers to NFPA 13 2002 Table > 12.1.10.1.1. (which is Misc Storage up to 12' in height). > > > > E. " The sprinkler system for the entire retail sales and receiving areas > shall be designed in accordance with NFPA 13 requirements for gondola > storage greater than 30 inches in overall width, which are treated as racks > with solid shelving, in addition to single and double row rack storage of > Class I-IV non-encapsulated commodities to an overall height of 12'-0 AFF. > > > > According to their specs, it appears they are applying NFPA 13 -2002 Misc > storage 12.1.10 (Chapter 13 in NFPA 2007). My question is - When do you > apply NFPA 13 2002 - 12.7.2 (NFPA 13 2007 - 20.3)? Would the scenario above > apply to these chapters or would it be Misc Storage? > > > > Thank you, > > > > Bobby Gillett > > Sr. Project Manager > > Key Fire Protection, Inc. > > (731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax > > (731) 267-4853 cell > > <mailto:[email protected]> > [email protected] > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1321 / Virus Database: 1500/3565 - Release Date: 04/11/11 > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
