Thanks, George. Bobby Gillett Sr. Project Manager Key Fire Protection, Inc. (731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax (731) 267-4853 cell [email protected]
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 2:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Retail Store Design http://www.tyco-fire.com/index.php?P=show&B=&CP=1&id=EC25WP_03_2011&BK=lit&B L=Technical Reports and White Papers http://www.tyco-fire.com/index.php?P=lit&L=Technical Reports and White Papers&B= chk with your TFP local guy for more, I've seen some brand-specific write-ups but I don't know how close you alignment is. If you haven't read James' white paper on Variables that affect the performance of a dry pipe system, you should in order to really understand how increasing air pressure in a dry sysem gievs better results, while others are offering low pressure valves that trip faster, but at extended transit times since there's less air stopping water from being diverted from the ITC/flowing heads..while you're looking at the index, take some time and educate yourself. If you have, understand a lot on the Forum prolly haven't. What I learned from Design Alternatives for Large Drops got me a $1.7m job, so don't necessarily think you're wasting your time. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 12:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Retail Store Design You may want to look at the Office depot and other special application sprinkler criteria that TYCO developed along with major retail outlets. I believe that Bed bath and beyond and others were provided with testing to support specific ceiling only sprinkler protection. These are now most likely listed as CMSA sprinklers, but I think the white papers are still available on the TYCO web page. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 7:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Retail Store Design Greg, Section 16 (Rack storage) will send you back to Misc Storage. That was the confusing part. This is a mercantile occupancy with a small area of storage in receiving not exceeding 12'-0 in height. They have gondola shelves on the sales floor (most of it) - not exceeding 12'-0 in height & the highest point of Top of Steel is 19'-0. Their specs are building it towards Misc Storage including types of sprinklers and referenced Table (12.1.10.1.1 in 2002) So with that said - which way to go? Bobby Gillett Sr. Project Manager Key Fire Protection, Inc. (731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax (731) 267-4853 cell [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 7:55 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Retail Store Design Bobby, I am on the road so I didn't look this up but last week I was looking up some criteria for storage and was referred back to the criteria for misc. Storage. So maybe that's what is happening? On Apr 11, 2011 6:44 AM, "Bobby Gillett" <[email protected]> wrote: > Matt, > > Thank you and I agree. That's why I was asking - they had the key > words leading to retail storage but they specifically call out the > sprinklers and > the Table for Misc Storage in their specs. > > Bobby Gillett > Sr. Project Manager > Key Fire Protection, Inc. > (731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax > (731) 267-4853 cell > [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt > Grise > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 6:18 AM > To: '[email protected]' > Subject: RE: Retail Store Design > > It sounds like they are looking for the retail requirements - > especially since they use the term 'gondola racks'. Also, Misc storage > is limited to > 4000 sf and is supposed to be 'incidental to another occupancy use'. > Also, if you go with the standard storage criteria for racks with > solid shelves, you will have in-rack sprinklers. > > Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP > Sales Engineer > Alliance Fire Protection > 130 w 9th Ave. > North Kansas City, MO 64116 > > *Licensed in KS & MO > > 913.888.0647 ph > 913.888.0618 f > 913.927.0222 cell > www. AFPsprink.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 12:40 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Retail Store Design > > I am working on system design for a major retail chain for office products; > Top of steel is 19'-0 high, exposed structure - their specs call for > standard response brass upright 286° sprinklers and say the following: > > > > A. "All fire protection systems for the entire retail sales and > receiving areas shall meet the requirements for storage of commodities > in single row and double row racks as well as solid shelf gondola > racks which have an overall width greater than 30 inches and for > storage of commodities to a maximum height of 12'-0 AFF." And then > refers to NFPA 13 2002 Table 12.1.10.1.1. (which is Misc Storage up to 12' in height). > > > > E. " The sprinkler system for the entire retail sales and receiving > areas shall be designed in accordance with NFPA 13 requirements for > gondola storage greater than 30 inches in overall width, which are > treated as racks > with solid shelving, in addition to single and double row rack storage > of Class I-IV non-encapsulated commodities to an overall height of 12'-0 AFF. > > > > According to their specs, it appears they are applying NFPA 13 -2002 > Misc storage 12.1.10 (Chapter 13 in NFPA 2007). My question is - When > do you apply NFPA 13 2002 - 12.7.2 (NFPA 13 2007 - 20.3)? Would the > scenario above > apply to these chapters or would it be Misc Storage? > > > > Thank you, > > > > Bobby Gillett > > Sr. Project Manager > > Key Fire Protection, Inc. > > (731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax > > (731) 267-4853 cell > > <mailto:[email protected]> > [email protected] > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1321 / Virus Database: 1500/3565 - Release Date: > 04/11/11 > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) ----- No virus found in this message. 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