What occupancies are on the 2nd floor?  Per IBC 903.2.1.3, A-3 occupancies 
located above or below the level of exit discharge shall require sprinklers.

Duane Johnson, PE
Program Manager
Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor)
Office of Research Services 
National Institutes of Health 
301-496-0487

"Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time"


-----Original Message-----
From: Rod DiBona [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 1:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: building code tradeoff

Thanks Roland. This is how we will proceed.  Didn't see your post before my 
reply went out. Bill, I know you would need a lot more information but I 
certainly don't expect you or anyone on this forum to do a full analysis for 
me. I already owe Ron G. a double at the next convention, it wouldn't be 
respectful of your time or anyone else's to ask for that much work. Thought I 
would just get everyone's opinion before the call.

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 10:24 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: building code tradeoff

what George said with the following comments.

We have a history of actually doing the system "design" (used in a non- 
engineering reference but in compliance with NFPA 13) that we have a hard time 
NOT doing it. That is the EOR's job.  Now as a valuable team member with 
applicable knowledge, one should bring it to the attention of the EOR (well AOR 
since we are talking about an architect) then ACCEPT their decision.  Now 
naturally you do it in writing so when the AHJ rejects it, you are covered.

Having said that, a general code discussion is always entertaining.   
There seems to be multiple problems with the planned approach.  The biggie has 
already been stated (regarding protection throughout in order to get a 
trade-off).  On that same issue, there are also significant restrictions on 
applying trade-offs fro sprinklers when one applies the reduction on fire 
rating.

Partial protection is a code issue is NOT defined by NFPA 13


On May 27, 2011, at 3:01 AM, George Church wrote:

> Are you asking:
> what is proper protection under the IBC as a minimum?
> What is required under #13?
> What is the scope of work that you are to include in your bid?
>
> From the sound of your question, you're the BCO and wondering whether 
> to accept this protection strategy; however, I'll bet you should focus 
> on what they've asked for you to provide.
> DON'T take on the role of the EOR, the Architect has defined the work 
> as he sees it in his professional opinion. You're not entitled to one.
>
>
> George L.  Church, Jr., CET
>

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