A Code has enforcement; a standard does not. 

At 07:16 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote:
>A little aside relative to something Craig said. I think "code trumps
>standard" is a misnomer when the code references the standard as applicable
>as the IBC does in 903.??? relative to 13. 13 then becomes a part of the
>code by reference. I also think that if IBC says you can do something (i.e.:
>have a partial system in a building that would otherwise not require
>sprinklers) then THAT trumps a sub-paragraph in a portion of code (903.???)
>that would only be applicable in full if the building were required to be
>sprinklered. I think John's passage from the commentary pretty much supports
>that interpretation. I'd still be leery and keep that passage handy (like in
>the contract documents) against future possibilities.
>
>On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 2:38 PM, John Drucker <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> From the 2009 IBC Commentary, Section 901.2;
>>
>> "For example, if a building owner chooses to provide sprinkler protection
>> in
>> a certain area and such protection is not required by the code, the system
>> MUST BE INSTALLED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE NFPA STANDARD and other
>> APPLICABLE requirements of the code such as water supply and supervision.
>> The EXTENT of the protection would not be regulated".
>>
>> So the stakeholder defines the extent of the protected area, the protection
>> within that area, the water supply, supervision and other features that
>> serve that area must comply with the standard. When dealing with "not
>> required" applications a performance statement indicating the fire
>> protection goals of the intended protection is in order. The goals must
>> match the design.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>>
>> John Drucker, CET
>> Fire Protection Subcode Official
>> Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector
>> Fire Marshals Office
>> Borough of Red Bank, NJ
>>
>> Not the official position of any agency, association, committee or
>> otherwise.  Obtain required applications, permits, inspections and
>> approvals
>> from Authority(s) Having Jurisdiction.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd
>> Williams
>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:04 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: non-required systems
>>
>> The exception in section 901.2 of the IBC (2003) states: "Exception: Any
>> fire protection system or portion thereof not required by this code shall
>> be
>> permitted to be installed for partial or complete protection provided that
>> such system meets the requirements of this code."  Does this mean that an
>> Architect/Owner can pick and chose what the wants to protect if the system
>> is not required? Anybody dealt with this from a liability standpoint?
>>
>> Todd G. Williams, PE
>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
>> Stonington, CT
>> 860.535.2080
>> www.fpdc.com
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