A Code has enforcement; a standard does not.
At 07:16 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote: >A little aside relative to something Craig said. I think "code trumps >standard" is a misnomer when the code references the standard as applicable >as the IBC does in 903.??? relative to 13. 13 then becomes a part of the >code by reference. I also think that if IBC says you can do something (i.e.: >have a partial system in a building that would otherwise not require >sprinklers) then THAT trumps a sub-paragraph in a portion of code (903.???) >that would only be applicable in full if the building were required to be >sprinklered. I think John's passage from the commentary pretty much supports >that interpretation. I'd still be leery and keep that passage handy (like in >the contract documents) against future possibilities. > >On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 2:38 PM, John Drucker <[email protected]>wrote: > >> From the 2009 IBC Commentary, Section 901.2; >> >> "For example, if a building owner chooses to provide sprinkler protection >> in >> a certain area and such protection is not required by the code, the system >> MUST BE INSTALLED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE NFPA STANDARD and other >> APPLICABLE requirements of the code such as water supply and supervision. >> The EXTENT of the protection would not be regulated". >> >> So the stakeholder defines the extent of the protected area, the protection >> within that area, the water supply, supervision and other features that >> serve that area must comply with the standard. When dealing with "not >> required" applications a performance statement indicating the fire >> protection goals of the intended protection is in order. The goals must >> match the design. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> >> John Drucker, CET >> Fire Protection Subcode Official >> Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector >> Fire Marshals Office >> Borough of Red Bank, NJ >> >> Not the official position of any agency, association, committee or >> otherwise. Obtain required applications, permits, inspections and >> approvals >> from Authority(s) Having Jurisdiction. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd >> Williams >> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:04 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: non-required systems >> >> The exception in section 901.2 of the IBC (2003) states: "Exception: Any >> fire protection system or portion thereof not required by this code shall >> be >> permitted to be installed for partial or complete protection provided that >> such system meets the requirements of this code." Does this mean that an >> Architect/Owner can pick and chose what the wants to protect if the system >> is not required? Anybody dealt with this from a liability standpoint? >> >> Todd G. Williams, PE >> Fire Protection Design/Consulting >> Stonington, CT >> 860.535.2080 >> www.fpdc.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> > > > >-- >Ron Greenman >Instructor >Fire Protection Engineering Technology >Bates Technical College >1101 So. Yakima Ave. >Tacoma, WA 98405 > >[email protected] > >http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ > >253.680.7346 >253.576.9700 (cell) > >Member: >ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC > >They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, >essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860.535.2080 www.fpdc.com _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
