I really wish we'd just drop the term "remote area" as it only applies when
the the hydraulically most demanding area is actually also the most remote.
I know what you mean but lots of folks out there really think the terms
are synonymous.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Fairchild, Jack <[email protected]
> wrote:

> I believe you are saying:  Calculate the most remote area using the
> appropriate method.
> For example:  A 1500 sq.ft. remote area in a corridor will probably be
> more demanding that a corridor calculation, but because it is not an
> appropriate method you don't do it.
>
> Jack Fairchild
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of
> [email protected]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:26 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Multiple design methods in one building
>
> I am referring to the methods of determining a light hazard remote area.
> Room design, area density and corridor are the ones I remember. Each method
> is allowed and each will result in a different flow requirement. There is
> no requirement to design the sprinkler system to the most demanding.
>
>
> Ron Fletcher
> Aero Automatic
> Phoenix, AZ
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Fairchild, Jack
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 6:59 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Multiple design methods in one building
>
> Ron,
>
> Please clarify your statement.  Which "methods" are your referring to?
>  Are you talking about Hazen-Williams vs. Darcy-Weisbach?
>
>
> Jack Fairchild
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of
> [email protected]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:45 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Multiple design methods in one building
>
> It also supports "not" requiring that the method resulting in the greatest
> demand be used. In LH there are many methods of determining the remote area
> but no requirement that the most demanding method be used.
>
>
> Ron Fletcher
> Aero Automatic
> Phoenix, AZ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 5:15 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Multiple design methods in one building
>
> In the Handbook commentary, it states "It is possible for a combination of
> design methods to be used in a single building". I perceive the purpose of
> this section is to make it the designer's discretion on which approach to
> use, so an authority cannot mandate something different after the fact
> (unless specifically included as part of a job specification). I think you
> are good mixing it up.
>
>
> At 06:59 AM 12/7/2011, you wrote:
> >Reading the following from NFPA 13 2010 ed.  Does this mean the room
> design method cannot be used in an area if we already used the density/area
> method in another area? We have a residence with a mechanical penthouse
> using the density/area method but the floors below are all residential
> units separated by block walls. Are we be allowed to use room design method
> for that?
> >
> >
> >11.2.3.1.1 The water supply for sprinklers shall be determined
> >*only from one* of the following, at the discretion of the
> >designer:
> >(1) Density/area curves of Figure 11.2.3.1.1 in accordance
> >with the density/area method of 11.2.3.2
> >(2) The room that creates the greatest demand in accordance
> >with the room design method of 11.2.3.3
> >(3) Special design areas in accordance with 11.2.3.4
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