We already have individual standpipe tests that produce 600 gpm +/- at 60-65 
psi. The question is how do we design a test that meets the 25 requirements 
given the various ages and designs of the system?


At 03:26 PM 12/29/2011, you wrote:
>Todd-
>If the intent of NFPA 25 and this test is to confirm the stuff actually works, 
>it might be a great time to find out what the pipe scheduled standpipes will 
>produce- 
>Better to know soon, rather than find out when there's a fire in an 
>unsprinklered area (since that's the same area where these old standpipes will 
>be, Murphy's Law of Cascading Catastrophes) what the FD can expect to get out 
>of these, and if they blow apart or not.
>
>
>George L.  Church, Jr., CET  
>Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] 
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
>Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 2:59 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: NFPA 25 standpipe test
>
>Exactly what I am dealing with. Quite honestly, if I saw something that said 
>flow the most remote hose outlet, I would only flow one outlet at 250 gpm. I 
>would not from that surmise that they wanted to recreate an acceptance test, 
>if one was ever done. The hospital dates from at least 1912, although I don't 
>know when each section was built. There was a major expansion in 2005 when 
>they added a second fire pump and increase the area by about 40%.
>
>So would the correct procedure be to go through and date each standpipe and 
>figure out how each was sized. Those that are pipe schedule could be left 
>alone, the pre 1993 need to be tested to 1250 gpm (partially sprinklered) and 
>65 psi at the top outlet and those from 2005 tested at 1000 gpm (fully 
>sprinklered) at 100 psi?
>
>Is there anything other than handbook commentary that details exact testing 
>procedures? We are using 2002 standards. 
>
>
>
>At 10:12 AM 12/29/2011, you wrote:
>>The confusion started when 25 said flow the most remote hose 
>>connection.  Some focused on the fact that it used the singular tense 
>>verses plural so obviously they only had to flow from ONE outlet and 
>>since an outlet only has to flow 250 gpm THAT was the amount to flow 
>>for the test.  DOH!
>>
>>Roland
>>
>>On Dec 29, 2011, at 6:14 AM, Todd Williams wrote:
>>
>>>I am working with a hospital with a total of 9 standpipes. There are 
>>>standpipes that are both pre and post 1993. The original building is 
>>>partially sprinklered and the new section is fully sprinklered.
>>>
>>>1. Is the intent of NFPA 25 that multiple standpipes be flowed 
>>>simultaneously to meet the 1250 gpm demand?
>>>
>>>2. Should the two sections of the hospital be flow independent of each 
>>>other?
>>>
>>>3. If yes to 1 and 2, could the new section be flowed as a fully 
>>>sprinklered building (thus 1000 gpm) as opposed to 1250?
>>>
>>>4. How should i handle pipe schedule standpipes, if any exist?
>>>
>>>I haven't had to deal with 5 year standpipe tests before.
>>>
>>>Todd G. Williams, PE
>>>Fire Protection Design/Consulting
>>>Stonington, CT
>>>860.535.2080
>>>www.fpdc.com
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