Good to hear you've got an educated AHJ to work with. The architect on the other hand..............well.......
Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 CH2MHILL Extension 74102 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 9:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 02 storage All interested, The question is regarding the building code, not fire protection per se'. I was just trying to educate myself and help the AHJ, who we have a great relationship with, in case there was something he was missing. Per Florida State Law however, this will not require an Engineer to be involved due to the size of the system and we are qualified to use the code as it is written and apply it. It turns out after an emergency meeting Friday afternoon, that the AHJ has done his homework and has told the Tenant and Architect exactly what the options are. The options are as follows: (per the Florida Building Code and NFPA #55 and 13) 1) Max storage of 12,000 cubit feet of 02 compartmentalized into "control areas" of 3,000 cuft each - separated with 2 hr separation. 2) same as above except 6,000 per "control area" if ventilated appropriately 3) store the remainder of the 20,000 cuft outside OR 1) item one and 2 above and then utilize separation suffucuent to count another area of the building as a separate building per the building code, and store 12,000 cuft more. That is the AHJ's interpretation and up to others to decide what to do. It does APPEAR to the AHJ and myself that OH2 over 3,000 sqft is the sprinkler design criteria. Thanks, Greg On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > Greg, > > This occupancy needs to be evaluated by an FPE and he or she needs to make > protection recommendations. This may be covered in NFPA 55, NFPA 99 or > similar documents, but is beyond what a contractor would normally deal with. > > Todd > > At 02:08 PM 8/10/2012, you wrote: > >Cubic Feet > > > > > >On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Morey, Mike <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Cubic feet or square feet? It sounds an awful lot like he's refering to > >> the IFC requirements for High Piled Combustible Storage. They may have > >> an egress or building design issue that is causing a limitation. We've > >> run into this a number of times where people just want us to "make the > >> sprinkler system work" only to find out that the building won't "work" > >> for what they want. > >> > >> > >> -Mike Morey, SET > >> Sprinkler Designer > >> BMW Constructors, Inc > >> [email protected] > >> Desk: 317-651-0596 > >> Cell: 317-439-2695 > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg > >> McGahan > >> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 1:51 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: 02 storage > >> > >> This is a completely new area for me so any help is appreciated. > >> > >> Issue: Medical Gas Storage of 02 only in various cylinders. > >> > >> The tenant and owner of this Commercial / Industrial Strip center is > >> having difficulty with the AHJ who claims that even if they classify the > >> warehouse portion of this space as Storage Occupancy instead of > >> Business, The maximum cubic footage of 02 allowed to be stored in one > >> place is 12,000 with "High Hazard" Sprinkler protection. The tenant > >> needs to store almost 20,000 cubic feet. > >> > >> Does anyone have expertise in this area? > >> Thanks, > >> Greg > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Greg McGahan > >> Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://www.livingwaterfp.com> 1160 > >> McKenzie Road Cantonment, FL 32533 850-937-1850 fax 850-937-1852 > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: > >> < > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attach> > ments/20120810/f3e9c5a0/attachment.html> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >> > > > > > > > >-- > >Greg McGahan > >Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://www.livingwaterfp.com> > >1160 McKenzie Road > >Cantonment, FL 32533 > >850-937-1850 > >fax 850-937-1852 > >-------------- next part -------------- > >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >URL: < > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachments/20120810/3ed155de/attachment.html > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Sprinklerforum mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > Todd G. 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