The diagram in the commentary is a square building of no particular size with a fire lane on all four sides. There is a 150' dimension line on all four sides between the fire lane to the outside wall of the building. There is absolutely no chance that any part of the building interior is within 150' of the fire lane.
Ron F -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Justin Reid Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Fire Marshal requirement? If ICC means it to be only the exterior wall, they should strike out "of all portions of the facility and" from 503.1.1,the actual code section, and not leave it for clarification in the commentary. In the meantime I can see why this would leave this section open to interpretation. Justin Reid On 1/30/13, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Yeah they mitigated $20k of tax payer money for a comfortable > judgement not counting what they spent on the consultant. How can any > building of that is > 50,000 sqft. have all interior portions within 150 ft. of where they > can park a fire truck? It's not an interpretation issue it's a mistake. > > Ron Fletcher > Aero Phoenix > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Justin > Reid > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:34 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Fire Marshal requirement? > > There is no requirement for standpipes in this case. It just looks > like the design team came to a conclusion that the standpipes would > provide an "equivalent" level of protection. I am only guessing. > > Keep in mind that the exception in the IFC states that the fire code > official can extend the 150 ft requirement when the building is > sprinklered (exception 1) or even if basically impractical (exception 2). > > The FM in question probably did not feel comfortable making a > judgement call on this and required the standpipes. That way, they at least > did "something" > to mitigate. > > Justin Reid > > > > On 1/30/13, Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] <[email protected]> > wrote: >> If that is the case, then ask the ICC for an official code >> interpretation about placing standpipes on mezzanines in a 1 story >> building. >> >> Duane Johnson, PE >> Program Manager >> Division of the Fire Marshal (Contractor) Office of Research Services >> National Institutes of Health >> 301-496-0487 >> >> "Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time" >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Drucker [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:01 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Fire Marshal requirement? >> >> You mean to say after all the proposals, comments,hearings, adoption >> comments the rules aren't clear ? Could that be the issue and not >> the enforcer ? >> John Drucker - Mobile Email >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: [email protected] >> <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wed Jan 30 12:54:05 2013 >> Subject: Fire Marshal requirement? >> >> Jim: >> >> thanks for the explanation on job duties. >> >> that kinda explains why some AHJ's won't bend to help "interpret" a >> grey area, but it does not justify why they wont. If we all adjust >> in tiny bits to accomodate the larger goal of improved design, then >> things tend to move smoother, down the line. When someone rigidly >> follows a job title, lock-step, it is explainable, but they don't get >> a great review from my point of view. And then there are the few >> that make interpretations on the far side of conservative, regarding >> the prescriptions, with no credibility, other than their ability to >> stall construction. >> >> Its obvious we are all part of a team, but the incentives (in this >> case, the FM written job description) is not helping, and obviously >> is hurting. >> We are not machines. We are interpreting things as they need >> interpreting, from time to time, and that is where we need to think >> of ourselves as part of a design team (AHJ, designer / technician, >> EOR, owner, and even the users of the building). Yeah, I know a lot >> of team members are greedy, egotistical full-tards, which makes it >> hard to work cooperatively with them. >> Maybe we should rate all the team members with >> 360 degree reviews... Something should be done to offer better >> incentives to work together and de-incentivise (or televise) the bad >> actions so as to make them better actors. >> >> scot deal >> Excelsior Fire/Risk Engineering >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >> scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/att >> a chments/20130130/e1cf787c/attachment.html> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> >> CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY: >> This email message is intended only for the use of the individual or >> entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is >> privileged and confidential, nor is it, unless specifically stated, >> intended to be relied upon by any person or persons other than the >> individual or entity named above and no warranties or representations >> are made or intended to persons or entities not named above. 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