Thanks Roland, John again, and Ron again.

This post is for adjusting the K-Factor for fluid properties other than
water at ~40F, 62.4 lb/ft3, not for 'pure' water flowing through an area
that varies a couple hundredths of a square foot. See 13-2007, A.22.4.4.5.1,
which, if deleted in later editions, would be shame.
Thanks to everyone again.
Brad 


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Greenman [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: adjusting the K-Factor with our bare hands

And the anti-freeze is out of the flowing part of the system rather quickly
and thereafter has no effect.


On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:03 AM, John Denhardt <[email protected]
> wrote:

> I was trying to be nice!  Roland did state what the thought was of most of
> the committee.
>
> John
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Roland
> Huggins
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:03 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: adjusting the K-Factor with our bare hands
>
> To restate John's comment a little more bluntly,  the requirement to
> adjust the K-factor for antifreeze solutions was deleted the following
> edition because it created an insignificant difference considering the
> approximate nature of our overall methodology and especially the assigned
> average value for the K-factor. In other words, it was a dumb thing to do
> in the first place.  If any one is interested in the details, I provided
an
> extensive explanation along with the proposal so check the old ROP/ROC.
>
>
> Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
> American Fire Sprinkler Assn.       ---      Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives
> Dallas, TX
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>
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 11, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Matt and Ron. I appreciate ALL feedback.
> > I like posting numbers because there is no opinion, personal feelings,
> > hearsay, etc. I know a ton about D-W and H-W, and I do not need to
repeat
> > the Velocity of Efflux experiments of the early 1600's to know I am
> correct
> > about K-Factors. Would it be too much to ask of you to simply work a few
> of
> > the numbers that back up the concepts I post, BEFORE I get your
> Criticisms
> > and Opinions? Either that or YOU show ME how it is done- adjusting
> K-Factors
> > I mean, from NFPA 13 referenced earlier?
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