I would love to read the committee's logic for this. How much water would be wasted in the process?
More and more I find the committee's saying, well the AHJ can change it, but if it is not practical to perform in the first place (where does one put all the water?) why put the burden on the AHJ, who, in many states, does not have the power to change a code requirement without getting approval of a State board or legislature. On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:03 AM, rongreenman . <rongreen...@gmail.com> wrote: I like that idea. On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Fairchild, Jack < jfairch...@ballinger-ae.com> wrote: > Maybe it's time to include a "cost impact" line in the public input form > and public comment form. I'll admit this may not be very productive > considering the vast majority of the ICC changes "will not affect the cost > of construction", even though they clearly do. Does anyone know if the ICC > keep any metrics on this? Ie. How many changes are proposed that increase > the cost vs decrease vs no change? > > Jack Fairchild > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 9:33 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Transfer Switch Tests > > Not covered on the AFSA webinar either. > > One of my recurring concerns for the NFPA system is the ratio of People > Who Get Paid for Stuff / People Who Actually Pay for Stuff. NFPA 25 is > about 10 to 1 but can you consider large organization reps in the category > of payers? > That would be GSA rep, VA rep, DOE rep, and Home Depot rep. > > The Home Depot rep made the presentation so I'd assume there is more (or > less) to this than meets the eye. > > Bill Brooks > > -----Original Message----- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John > Denhardt > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:56 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Transfer Switch Tests > > From the 25 - 2014 ROP > > 25-187 Log #249 Final Action: Accept in Principle > (8.3.3.4(3) (New) ) > _______________________________________________________________ > Submitter: John Whitney, Clarke Fire Protection Products, Inc. > Recommendation: Revise text to add; Verify that pump continues to perform > at peak load on the alternate power source for 10 minutes or 30 minutes if > alternate power source is a standby generator set. > Substantiation: During annual tests it is only appropriate that the > alternate power source also be tested to assure that circuits and > generators be tested to confirm they perform under peak load. > Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Add peak "horsepower" before > "load". > Verify that pump continues to perform at peak horsepower load on the > alternate power source for 10 minutes for a alternate utility or 30 minutes > if the alternate power source is a standby generator set. > Committee Statement: Clarifies that a standby generator requires a 30 > minute test while carrying peak electric motor fire pump horsepower load. > Number Eligible to Vote: 33 > Ballot Results: Affirmative: 33 > > > WOW! - No negative votes! No comments! > > > John August Denhardt, P.E., FSFPE > Strickland Fire Protection Incorporated > 5113 Berwyn Road > College Park, Maryland 20740 > Office Telephone Number: 301-474-1136 > Mobile Telephone Number: 301-343-1457 > FIRE SPRINKLERS SAVE LIVES - Can you live without them? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mark > A. > Sornsin, P.E. > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:32 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Transfer Switch Tests > > All of a sudden, flow meters piped back to suction (or suction tank) look > like a good thing - at least when you need to test transfer switches. > > Mark A. Sornsin, P.E. | Karges-Faulconbridge, Inc. | Fire Protection > Engineer | Fargo, ND | direct: 701.552.9905 | mobile: 701.371.5759 | > http://www.kfiengineers.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Tom > Duross > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 6:29 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Transfer Switch Tests > > Can't be every year, really? > I think (or hope) that's a misprint because flowing 150% for 30 minutes is > beyond ridiculous. > No, there is no other way to put peak load on the driver other than to > pump. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John > Denhardt > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 6:42 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: Transfer Switch Tests > > Agree every year. But what about the 30 minutes flowing water. Is there > another way to simulate peak load? > > Sent from my Motorola Smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint! > > > -----Original message----- > From: Tom <ihaveakub...@yahoo.com> > To: "sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org" > <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > Sent: Mon, Oct 28, 2013 18:36:03 EDT > Subject: Re: Transfer Switch Tests > > Tom, > > Not sure if you are referring to annual testing (NFPA 25) or acceptance > testing (NFPA 20) ? 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