"The installing contractor told the owner: the pressure gauge is installed
in the wrong place and the system is fine."

The manufacturer told the buyer: the brakes were installed in the wrong
place but the car is fine.

The banker told the customer: the investments were posted in the wrong
place but the his money is fine.

The farmer told the consumer: the poisons were used in the wrong place but
the food is fine.

The doctor told the patient: the pacemaker was installed in the wrong place
but he is fine.

"It's alright M'am. We're musicians."


On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Forest Wilson Fire Sprinkler Contractor <
[email protected]> wrote:

> I recently inspected a wet sprinkler system.
> It was installed in 1997 and had not been inspected or tested since
> installation.
> I conducted a main drain test.
> The residual pressure was 30 psi. Static 75.
> According to the hydraulic calc plaque, the residual should be 60.
> The gauge was downstream of the main drain, approx 80 feet of pipe
> downstream.
>
> I sent a Notice of Impairment to the owner and requested a copy of the
> Contractors Test Cert to use as a benchmark.
> The installing contractor told the owner: the pressure gauge is installed
> in the wrong place and the system is fine.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
> Forest Wilson
> Fire Sprinkler Contractor
> 937-736-0425
>
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Tom Duross <[email protected]>
> Date:12/06/2013  6:02 PM  (GMT-05:00)
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: NFPA 13D Water Supplies
>
> Dude,
> I believe every tank system has refill whether off another pump and tank,
> or
> traditional domestic.  We do pumps and tanks all over Boston (13D up to 3
> family but 20 minute supply per Maurice P.) mainly because the purveyors
> are
> so expensive with permits, bonds, tap fees and pipe rentals that Owners
> have
> spent the cost of the tank system before they dig a hole.
> I believe you also have to factor in domestic usage so refill may not be as
> great.  I've never taken a credit for it because I'm leery of degradation
> of
> the pumps over time.  I will say SPP (and others) make good 220/1 pumps but
> I'd advise using a  SS fitted pump rather than CI, about $75 more for the
> typical 2 HP end suction variety.  I would also advise getting a pump
> control panel too.  CH makes a nice one sold through RH Stearns in
> Portsmouth, NH.  It has an off-delay which helps with hammer prevalent in
> these systems and will also drive a bell or horn/strobe and has dry
> contacts
> for Fire Alarm.  One thing I did with the last two I bought was to install
> a
> run timer, $50 from Grainer, 1 yr. battery, and runs the pump once a week
> for 10 minutes.  Keeps it working.  One other thing, install a low pressure
> switch on the riser and connect as alarm.  That way if you lose power and
> have no water supply and a head opens, the alarm still rings through its
> batteries and people get out.
> Dude
>
> Folks,
>
> Been watching the thread and wanted to chime in a little as Mr. Huggins, PE
> has done.
>
> Any 220V pump and any tank that will hold water are an acceptable supplies
> in areas served by well water.  And when sizing the tank, you may use the
> water supply's refill rate to eliminate some of the gallons required to be
> stored.  So on a home with a well pump (that probably already has it's own
> pump and pressure tank), you can branch off of that supply and fill a tank.
> That tank can be sized like so:
>
> Demand gpm X 10 minutes = Total Water (in gallons)
>
> Home water Supply gpm X 10 minutes = Total Refill (in gallons)
>
> Total Water MINUS Total Refill = Tank Size
>
> Two sprinklers (YES!  ONLY CALC 2 IN THE BASEMENT) x 10 minutes usually
> equals less than 300 gallons total.  Subtract 100 gallons or so for refill
> and you only need a 200 gallon tank.  A 6ft tall, 30" diameter tank (fits
> through a 32" door), will suffice (+/- 220gallons).
>
> A 2HP pump can handle this (up to 45 psi).  See SPD Pumps for some really
> good charts and products.http://www.spdinc.com/products/residential.html
> (Or call and talk to Dave and tell him I said, "YO!")
>
> This is a very inexpensive solution for a rural home.
>
>
>
> It should be recognized that the above is my opinion as a member of the
> NFPA, and has not been processed as a formal interpretation in accordance
> with the NFPA Regulations Governing Committee Projects and should therefore
> not be considered, nor relied upon, as the official position of the the
> NFPA, nor any of their technical committees.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Cecil Bilbo
> Academy of Fire Sprinkler Technology
> Champaign, IL
> 217.607.0325
> www.sprinkleracademy.com
> [email protected]
>
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