5 gallon bucket and a stop watch

Todd G Williams, PE
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> On Jun 20, 2014, at 11:45 AM, "Brad Casterline" <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> Whaaaa...? Where has 291 been all my life?!?
> I think I'll propose adding that if one has neither a gage OR a pitot, how
> to do it with a comb and a ruler.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Parsley Consulting [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 10:20 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: to Pitot or not to Pitot?
> 
> Roland,
>     Excellent description of what the intent of -291 describes in 
> section 4.9.  As our mutual friend Joe Hankins used to say "Don't 
> measure with a micrometer when you're going to cut with a chainsaw."
> *Ken Wagoner, SET
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>> On 6/20/2014 8:04 AM, Roland Huggins wrote:
>> NFPA 291 says use a Pitot but IF a pitot is not available then a butt
> gauge will provide APPROXIMATELY the same results.  Unless one broke the
> bloody thing, if one doesn't have a pitot I suspect they shouldn't be out
> there.  Nonetheless, the velocity pressure in the discharge stream equals
> 100% of the pressure whereas the gauge pressure is just the normal pressure
> (that being total pressure minus velocity pressure) prior to the water
> outlet but it shouldn't be seeing the pressure loss associated with the
> water going through the outlet.  Since the pitot reading is recommended to
> limit the velocity (not exceeding 30 psi on the pitot), it may not be a lot
> of difference.  Combining this with the exacting precision associated with
> many pitot readings, it could be the TC felt it was close enough (like using
> hand grenades).
>> 
>> Roland
>> 
>> 
>> Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
>> American Fire Sprinkler Assn.       ---      Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives
>> Dallas, TX
>> http://www.firesprinkler.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 20, 2014, at 6:05 AM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yesterday's flow test thread, along with talk of "because that is the way
> we
>>> have always done it" reminded me of something I have been wanting to post
>>> since last Christmas-- I was 'calculating' flow tests and looking for any
>>> info that might help and I discovered something that surprised me, that
>>> being NFPA 13 (2007) A.23.2.1 (2). For the flowing hydrant we can either
>>> attach a second gage or use a pitot. I have always used a pitot because
> that
>>> is the way the person who taught me had always done it.
>>> 
>>> No question here, just thought I'd throw this out there on a Friday
> morning.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Brad Casterline, NICET IV
>>> 
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