I'm going to agree MOST DEFINITELY with Steve's arguments, pro and con, and
his conclusion.

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Steve Leyton <[email protected]>
wrote:

> For the sake of both reliability and maintenance, I think you want to pick
> one or the other basis of design, i.e. create a lower zone with a double
> reducing valve manifold or (assuming the building isn't so tall as to
> preclude this) make the building a single zone and use point of connection
> reducing valves at each hose connection and sprinkler floor control
> assembly.    I would not want PRV's inside of PRV's.
>
> PR hose and control valves are either spring (totally field adjustable) or
> piston type and these designs will fail in the open state if they do.  I
> prefer this type of valve because even if it hasn't been maintained and
> isn't working properly, water is still available to fire fighters.
> Pilot-type valves can fail open or closed, and the prospect of a full-close
> fail state is of highest concern, hence the NFPA 14 requirement for
> redundancy.   (Sidebar note: if you pursue this approach, remember that you
> also need to account for the lowest flow of one or two sprinklers, so two
> smaller PRV's are likely also required.)
>
> The most critical element of all is the issue of maintenance - regardless
> of which approach, will these valves be ITM'd by the owner to assure
> functionality?   Zone-by-PRV is likely the less expensive approach and
> there are fewer valves to test, but in a fire fight there is a higher
> (albeit still very low) chance of interruption of the water supply.   Point
> of connection valves are more expensive and there are more of them to test
> and maintain, but are considered more reliable (again, the % chance of
> failure overall is very low in any case) and will fail open.  But there is
> a critical difference and that is that POC valves can be ordered that are
> completely field-adjustable in flow and no-flow conditions, allowing
> firefighters the most flexibility during an operation. For me - as a
> consultant who isn't spending his own money - and knowing what I know about
> the available product technologies, I prefer the POC approach because at
> the end of the day a standpipe system is about r
>  eliability of the water supply and firefighter safety.
>
> The preceding is MOST DEFINITELY my opinion only and does not represent
> the NFPA 14 Technical Committee or AFSA in that or any other regard.
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum on behalf of T. Silva
> Sent: Mon 5/25/2015 10:44 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Highrise
>
> Can you share your strategies for highrise buildings? Or direct me to a
> source for information?
>
> I am planning to reduce the pressure after the fire pump, using two
> pressure reducing valves in series. Then run two standpipes, one low
> pressure and the other, high pressure and use additional pressure reducing
> valves at each floor where the pressure exceeds 175 psi.This PRV at each
> floor
> will reduce the pressure (only where it exceeds 175) to both the sprinkler
> zone and hose connection. Any problem with that? Or do I have to use a PRV
> for only the sprinkler zone and a pressure reducing hose valve for the hose
> connection? The hose connections are 2 1/2" with 2 1/2" x 1 1/2" reducers.
>
> Any feedback will be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Tony
>
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