Dear Eng, 
the nature of our project is a Lump Sum, and the consultant he don't care about 
Economical part.
but i want to defend my position by references and code,  and that is the way 
of projects design and installation, 


 Eng Belal K. AlrwadiehMSc Design Of Steel StructureBSc Mechanical Engineering 
Address:  KSA-RiyadhAl-Yarmouk, Abu Ja'afr 
AlmansourJordan-AmmamTabrbour-Alkhazna NeighborhoodAlkhaldeen St-Bldg 32h email 
Address:[email protected] Mobile Number:KSA-+966-549-326055Jordan: 
+962-776-498924               +962-795-630998 


     On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:07 PM, Brad Casterline 
<[email protected]> wrote:
   

 Dear Eng yes that is tricky, I just read those.
 
If it is a computer room, say, Light Hazard, .5 hour water duration, so if
your CO2 discharge is 10 minutes, then the AHJ could ask for (3) multiples,
right?

So it might be more economical to put a small wet system in there too that
would activate later, in case the (1) multiple of CO2 did not extinguish the
fire!!
Can you "talk" to this AHJ and ask him or her?

thanks, brad 

-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Engr. belal alrwadieh
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:45 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: co2, fm200

Dear Brad,my issue the design of CO2 and FM200 is done to suppress the fire
with specific number of cylinder based on concentration and volume of the
space...etc
as per NFPA 12, and the para shown earlier it states that if the authority
having jurisdiction  determines the necessity to maintain a reserve
cylinder/ supply...etc
my Q what are the factors which determine the necessity of having the
reserve or whether the system should have a reserve or not?
since our consultant is defining him self as Authority Having Jurisdiction,
and he ask to provide a reserve cylinder but he is not clarifying why we
should have reserve or not....since it will be an extra cost without a valid
point of view, because our project is at the middle of the city and only the
fire watch will access or deal with the CO2 System monitor.

please support
 Eng Belal K. AlrwadiehMSc Design Of Steel StructureBSc Mechanical
Engineering Address:  KSA-RiyadhAl-Yarmouk, Abu Ja'afr
AlmansourJordan-AmmamTabrbour-Alkhazna NeighborhoodAlkhaldeen St-Bldg
32h email Address:[email protected] Mobile
Number:KSA-+966-549-326055Jordan: +962-776-498924              
+962-795-630998 


    On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:56 PM, Brad Casterline
<[email protected]> wrote:
  

 Hello,

Off the top of my head, if it were a wet system there would be a minimum
water supply duration, like .5 hour, 1 hour, 2 hour, etc. If the water
supply was from a water storage tank the tank would have to meet the demand
times the duration, AND be re-filled with-in 8 hours.

Is this the type of thing you are questioning Eng Belal?

Usually with co2 or fm200 it is one quick shot at extinguishment so the
worry is "what if it flares back up but you are out of gas?". It is why you
sometimes see these system (to act quickly) + a water system too in the same
area.

thanks,

Brad

-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Engr. belal alrwadieh
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 6:16 AM
To: Sprinklerforum
Subject: co2, fm200

Gentlemen,as per NFPA 12, 4.6.1.2 Where the authority having jurisdiction
determinesthat continuous protection is required, the quantity of
reservesupply shall be as many multiples of the quantities required in4.6.1
and 4.6.1.1 as the authority having jurisdiction considersnecessary. what
 are the factor which determines that the continuity as must, since AHJ
sometime they have some unprofessional reason to affect the contractor?is
there another statement or code determine this?
knowing that my current project is at the middle of the city with less than
20km from the CO2, FM200 cylinder supplier.

Eng Belal K. AlrwadiehMSc Design Of Steel StructureBSc Mechanical
Engineering Address:  KSA-RiyadhAl-Yarmouk, Abu Ja'afr
AlmansourJordan-AmmamTabrbour-Alkhazna NeighborhoodAlkhaldeen St-Bldg
32h email Address:[email protected] Mobile
Number:KSA-+966-549-326055Jordan: +962-776-498924              
+962-795-630998
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