But I've seen the tops of the tiles used for the storage of batt insulation
many times. So much that it had to be removed from areas to ACCESS the area
above to perform essential functions like repair a loose connection in a
junction box or even replace a damaged tile. Many times I've sen the
workman standing on a ladder with more than half his body in the space
above the T-bar. This is obviously accessibility for both storage and
people.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Duane Johnson <[email protected]
> wrote:

> Can't top Steve, but...
>
> From the handbook under 8.15.1.2.1.1:
> The presence of openings in the ceiling, such as those for return air for
> a plenum, does not
> result in a perfunctory requirement for sprinklers in the concealed space.
> Evaluation of the size
> and number of openings in relation to the overall area of the ceiling is
> important. Examples of
> openings to plenum spaces are shown in Exhibit 8.34.
>
> Ironically, Exhibit 8.34 labeled "Two Examples of Plenum Openings." shows
> two pictures of drop ceilings where the handbook is indicating sprinklers
> are not required above merely because of access.
>
> In case you are wondering...purfunctory, synonymous for: superficial,
> careless, sketchy, offhand...
>
> Duane Johnson, PE
> Design Manager
> Strickland Fire Protection
> 5113 Berwyn Road
> College Park, MD 20740
> 301-474-1136 Office
> 301-455-0010 Cell
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark A.
> Sornsin, P.E.
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:37 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Noncombustible concealed space
>
> Ugh.  I've seen this on this forum before.  The AHJ is incorrect.
> Suspended ceiling tile is NOT the intent behind 'accessible'. How can the
> guy call it anything more than limited access? If this isn't limited
> access, what is?  I think the archives have better support for this; or
> someone else will chime in shortly.
>
> Mark A. Sornsin, P.E. | Karges-Faulconbridge, Inc. | Fire Protection
> Engineer | Fargo, ND | direct: 701.552.9905 | mobile: 701.371.5759 |
> http://www.kfiengineers.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Marc Walter,
> SET
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 1:31 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Noncombustible concealed space
>
> I have a 1,300SF tenant finish project in a building that is post tension
> concrete. The tenant is dropping in a T-Bar grid ceiling throughout the
> space.
>
>
>
> I have the existing piping dropping new pendents to the ceiling and
> removing the uprights. The AHJ has rejected the plans based on the removal
> of the uprights citing 8.15.1.2.1 and 8.15.1.2.2 (NFPA 13:2013).
>
>
>
> His contention is that a T-Bar ceiling is a fully accessible space, and
> therefore requires sprinkler protection above. Anyone been hit with this
> before?
>
>
>
> Marc Walter, SET
>
> Sprinkler Design Services
>
> 780 6th Avenue
>
> Seaside, OR  97138
>
> (503) 956-4019
>
>
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