But, but, but.... it IS in the picture.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Steve Leyton <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Ask the plan reviewer why they want it, besides the fact that it's "in the
> picture".   What's the benefit if it's normally closed and has to be opened
> by fire-fighters prior to using the roof outlets or testing the standpipe?
> Especially if the roof connection is fitted with normally closed valves.
>
> The draft reports may help illustrate that the committee's intent is that
> the valve is only required in areas subject to freezing.
>
> SML
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerry Van
> Kolken
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:22 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Class 1 Standpipe Roof Valve
>
> Thanks for pointing me to the Drafts.
>
> I'm trying to get away from having to install the valve, but the reviewer
> wants it to match the picture.
>
> Jerry Van Kolken
> Millennium Fire Protection
> (760) 722-2722
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:
> [email protected]]
> On Behalf Of Steve Leyton
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:03 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Class 1 Standpipe Roof Valve
>
> 1) There is no 2015 edition of NFPA 14.  The 2016 has been final-drafter,
> and I don't believe there were any NITMAM's so adoption is imminent if I'm
> not mistaken.
>
> 2) Jerry - as for viewing the changes, you can see the First Draft and
> Second Draft reports on line at nfpa.org.   Section 7.3.2 Locations of
> Hose
> Connections has been overhauled.   The committee used its Imperial powers
> to
> combine four PI's into a single revision of that chapter, including some
> committee comments and, in the 2nd Draft cycle, the work product of a task
> group on 2-hour separations.   It will be twice as long and much more
> specific.
>
> 3) To the issue of the valve that is shown in Fig. A.7.3.2(5), it's my
> personal opinion that the valve is not required (nor desirable) in an
> environment that is NOT subject to freezing.
>
> Just sayin ...
>
> The foregoing is my opinion only and does not necessarily represent the
> opinion or intent of the NFPA 14 Technical Committee on Standpipe and Hose
> Systems.
>
> Steve Leyton
> Protection Design & Consulting
> San Diego, CA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:
> [email protected]]
> On Behalf Of Jerry Van Kolken
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 10:35 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Class 1 Standpipe Roof Valve
>
> Norman,
>
> Is there any where I can view these changes?
>
> Jerry Van Kolken
> Millennium Fire Protection
> (760) 722-2722
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:
> [email protected]]
> On Behalf Of Norman Arendt
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 4:30 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Class 1 Standpipe Roof Valve
>
> 2015 code removes this requirement.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jerry Van Kolken <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:44:58 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Class 1 Standpipe Roof Valve
>
> According to the NFPA 14-A.7.3.2(5) (13Ed.) There is gate valve installed
> isolating the hose valve on the roof.  Is there verbiage about this
> isolation valve? Is the valve required if you're not in areas subject to
> freezing?
>
>
>
> Jerry Van Kolken
>
> Millennium Fire Protection Corp.
>
> 101 Copperwood Way, Suite H
>
> Oceanside, CA 92058
>
> (760) 722-2722 FX 722-2730
>
>
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