But, but, but.... it IS in the picture. On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Steve Leyton <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ask the plan reviewer why they want it, besides the fact that it's "in the > picture". What's the benefit if it's normally closed and has to be opened > by fire-fighters prior to using the roof outlets or testing the standpipe? > Especially if the roof connection is fitted with normally closed valves. > > The draft reports may help illustrate that the committee's intent is that > the valve is only required in areas subject to freezing. > > SML > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerry Van > Kolken > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:22 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Class 1 Standpipe Roof Valve > > Thanks for pointing me to the Drafts. > > I'm trying to get away from having to install the valve, but the reviewer > wants it to match the picture. > > Jerry Van Kolken > Millennium Fire Protection > (760) 722-2722 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] > On Behalf Of Steve Leyton > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:03 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Class 1 Standpipe Roof Valve > > 1) There is no 2015 edition of NFPA 14. The 2016 has been final-drafter, > and I don't believe there were any NITMAM's so adoption is imminent if I'm > not mistaken. > > 2) Jerry - as for viewing the changes, you can see the First Draft and > Second Draft reports on line at nfpa.org. Section 7.3.2 Locations of > Hose > Connections has been overhauled. The committee used its Imperial powers > to > combine four PI's into a single revision of that chapter, including some > committee comments and, in the 2nd Draft cycle, the work product of a task > group on 2-hour separations. It will be twice as long and much more > specific. > > 3) To the issue of the valve that is shown in Fig. A.7.3.2(5), it's my > personal opinion that the valve is not required (nor desirable) in an > environment that is NOT subject to freezing. > > Just sayin ... > > The foregoing is my opinion only and does not necessarily represent the > opinion or intent of the NFPA 14 Technical Committee on Standpipe and Hose > Systems. > > Steve Leyton > Protection Design & Consulting > San Diego, CA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] > On Behalf Of Jerry Van Kolken > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 10:35 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Class 1 Standpipe Roof Valve > > Norman, > > Is there any where I can view these changes? > > Jerry Van Kolken > Millennium Fire Protection > (760) 722-2722 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] > On Behalf Of Norman Arendt > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 4:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Class 1 Standpipe Roof Valve > > 2015 code removes this requirement. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerry Van Kolken <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:44:58 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Class 1 Standpipe Roof Valve > > According to the NFPA 14-A.7.3.2(5) (13Ed.) There is gate valve installed > isolating the hose valve on the roof. Is there verbiage about this > isolation valve? Is the valve required if you're not in areas subject to > freezing? > > > > Jerry Van Kolken > > Millennium Fire Protection Corp. > > 101 Copperwood Way, Suite H > > Oceanside, CA 92058 > > (760) 722-2722 FX 722-2730 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > -- > Norman Arendt, PhD, CFII, CMAS > Middleton Fire District Plan Reviewer and Investigator Board Member > ASSE/ASIS _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. 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