Thank you everyone for your thoughts and input. With some keyword Google searches and a bit of digging we were able to locate the NYS Architectural and Engineering governing boards. In a nut shell, the local AHJ reserves the right to accept either... but in this case, we are on a federal project and they refer back to the State. With talking to each side separately, their responses contradict themselves... go figure. The engineering board says a PE should sign our drawings as they are "engineering" plans. The architectural board says "as long as you don't note on the drawing it's an Engineering plan" an RA/AIA can seal FS plans...
Thanks again for everyone's input! Steven Steven MacKinnon Fire Protection Division Hartcorn Plumbing and Heating, Inc. 850 South Second Street Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 Office 631-580-2300 Fax - 631-580-1090 -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of rongreenman . Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: who can seal fire sprinkler drawings Here's a place to start. http://digital.turn-page.com/i/602220-november-2015/18 On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 2:31 PM, David Blackwell <[email protected] > wrote: > > The legal requirements and opinions that count are based in/on the > jurisdiction(s) controlling the project. However, it may benefit you > to see an example of a state engineering licensing board opinion such > as these from Alabama seen at: > > > http://www.bels.alabama.gov/pdf/opinions/Fire%20Protection%20Letter%20 > &%20Statement.pdf > > > http://www.bels.alabama.gov/pdf/rulings/2009-Direct%20Control%20&%20Su > pervision.pdf > > > Other national level links of interest that may influence the State > positions are seen at: > > > http://www.nspe.org/resources/issues-and-advocacy/take-action/position > -statements/sfpenspenicet-joint-position-engineer > > > http://www.nspe.org/sites/default/files/resources/GR%20downloadables/S > FPE%20NSPE%20NICET%20Joint%20Position.pdf > > > > > > Respectfully, > > David Blackwell > > David Blackwell, P.E. > Chief Engineer > (803)896-9833 > http://scfiremarshal.llronline.com/EngServices/index.asp?file=main.htm > > Office of State Fire Marshal > 141 Monticello Trail | Columbia, SC 29203 > http://scfiremarshal.llronline.com/ > (803)896-9800 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve > Mackinnon > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 7:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: who can seal fire sprinkler drawings > > *** SCDLLR NOTICE *** This email is from an external email address. > Please use caution when deciding whether to open any attachments or > when clicking links inside the email. > > Wow, all great information. Thank you! > > Sent from... > > > > On Jan 18, 2016, at 7:00 PM, Roland Huggins > > <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > What Steve said. I have checked with a couple of states on this > > issue > particularly on their definition of control by the PE over the > drawings (a necessity for stamping). I would assume NY is the same in > the Board defining the who and what can be stated but NOT The when its > required (which is a code thing). > > > > I started this review because a good while back many government jobs > required the contractor to have a PE seal their drawings. This was a > violation for the PE in most states. Their Board defined control has > having both the PE and the technician drawing the plans to be employed > by the same company. This lead to some gyrations whereby the PE can > review the work of others and not STAMP them but place a letter of > review (or something to that effect) on the plans. > > > > Roland > > > > > > Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering > > American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives > > Dallas, TX > > http://www.firesprinkler.org <http://www.firesprinkler.org/> > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Jan 18, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Steve Leyton > >> <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> Obviously, none of us can speak for how all states with engineering > licensure would handle this, but I think most states have a board or > department that is responsible for the certification, registration and > discipline of professional engineers. Here in CA, the state Consumer > Affairs Dept. has a Board for Professional Engineers, Land Surveyors and > Geologists. They maintain all the rules and reg's, including a Code of > Conduct. It's in this departments policies that the extent of work is > defined for engineers by discipline. Here in CA, I believe that a set of > sprinkler plans can be done by or under the direct supervision of an > FPE, ME or CE. > >> > >> Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. 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