In Puget Sound we have Douglas fir trees.

A couple days after Nisqually earthquake. 4 1/2 days at Inauguration Day storm 
(B Clinton, first term).

~ 5 years ago, 3 1/2 days, daughter 5 days at her home.

Most winters probably at least one 8-12 hour loss.  

Best

Bruce

> On Aug 3, 2016, at 15:56, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Not to drift too far off topic, but just how often do the public utilities 
> experience power outages lasting for a day or two? Here in the desert 
> southwest we don’t see outages more than a few hours and even those are rare.
>  
> Mark at Aero
> 602 820-7894
>  
>  
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] 
> On Behalf Of Bruce Verhei
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 3:29 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Solenoid Valve for domestic side of 13D system riser
>  
> I'm going to cross from application of current standards to comment on 
> standards.
>  
> I've seen 13-D, and 13-R, operate a number of times well outside original 
> design criteria, and alway successfully. By successful, living spaces stayed 
> survivable. There may have been considerable fire outside the unit, and attic 
> may have been fully involved. 
>  
> I wonder where water source is municipal, effectively unlimited, source we 
> should just accept that some times the clothes washer or lawn sprinklers are 
> on. 
>  
> Are a flow switch and 120V alarm, installed, cheaper than $600?
>  
>  
> 
> On Aug 3, 2016, at 15:02, Bruce Verhei <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I sure wouldn't want a solenoid valve cutoff, listed or not.
>  
> When the grid is down I still enjoy the use of modern plumbing supplied by a 
> municipal water system.  Take it away every time power is off for a day or 
> two and solenoid valve would be disabled or removed by owners.
> 
> Mechanical valve is best for a reason.
>  
> Best
>  
> Bruce Verhei
> 
> On Aug 3, 2016, at 11:25, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Or use a solenoid valve that is energized open and let the flow switch break 
> the circuit. If/when the valve fails, it will get fixed.
>  
> Mark at Aero
> 602 820-7894
>  
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] 
> On Behalf Of Steve Leyton
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 10:57 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Solenoid Valve for domestic side of 13D system riser
>  
> What’s easier, more cost-effective and (most important) more failsafe and 
> reliable in light of the fact that this product will NEVER be ITM’d after 
> it’s installed?    I assume you’re designing to an undersized meter.  Either 
> get relief from the water agency to add the 5 GPM to the intermittent flow 
> rate of the sprinklers (as opposed to the continuous flow for which the meter 
> is rated) or have the owner bite the bullet and buy a larger meter?
>  
> I’m sure there are people who will disagree with me, but relying on an 
> electrical device that is not subject to regular exercise or inspection isn’t 
> my idea of reliable.
>  
> SL
>  
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] 
> On Behalf Of Owen Evans
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 10:45 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Solenoid Valve for domestic side of 13D system riser
>  
> Hi Don,
>  
> Thanks for responding. I checked out the RSV-1 from Tyco and the list price 
> is $1,000.00. I about fell out of my chair. It is on the sprinkler riser with 
> a branch off to the domestic. When fire sprinklers flow the pressure change 
> causes the valve to shut off the domestic. It is non-electric, maybe that is 
> why it is so expensive. It has been years but the one I have seen was a 
> simple solenoid valve that is attached to the domestic water and simply 
> closes when it receives an electric current from the activated flow switch.  
> HELP anybody!
>  
> Owen Evans
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Casey <[email protected]>
> To: sprinklerforum <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 3, 2016 10:20 am
> Subject: RE: Solenoid Valve for domestic side of 13D system riser
> 
> Check out Tyco’s RSV-1 valve
>  
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] 
> On Behalf Of Owen Evans
> Sent: 2016/08/03 1:17 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Solenoid Valve for domestic side of 13D system riser
>  
> Hello Folks,
>  
> Anybody have a source in southern California where I can get a 1" electric 
> solenoid valve to shut off domestic flow (activated by the flow switch)? This 
> is so I can eliminate the 5 gpm from the 13D calculations.
>  
> Thank you,
> Owen Evans
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