In Puget Sound we have Douglas fir trees. A couple days after Nisqually earthquake. 4 1/2 days at Inauguration Day storm (B Clinton, first term).
~ 5 years ago, 3 1/2 days, daughter 5 days at her home. Most winters probably at least one 8-12 hour loss. Best Bruce > On Aug 3, 2016, at 15:56, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: > > Not to drift too far off topic, but just how often do the public utilities > experience power outages lasting for a day or two? Here in the desert > southwest we don’t see outages more than a few hours and even those are rare. > > Mark at Aero > 602 820-7894 > > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Bruce Verhei > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 3:29 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Solenoid Valve for domestic side of 13D system riser > > I'm going to cross from application of current standards to comment on > standards. > > I've seen 13-D, and 13-R, operate a number of times well outside original > design criteria, and alway successfully. By successful, living spaces stayed > survivable. There may have been considerable fire outside the unit, and attic > may have been fully involved. > > I wonder where water source is municipal, effectively unlimited, source we > should just accept that some times the clothes washer or lawn sprinklers are > on. > > Are a flow switch and 120V alarm, installed, cheaper than $600? > > > > On Aug 3, 2016, at 15:02, Bruce Verhei <[email protected]> wrote: > > I sure wouldn't want a solenoid valve cutoff, listed or not. > > When the grid is down I still enjoy the use of modern plumbing supplied by a > municipal water system. Take it away every time power is off for a day or > two and solenoid valve would be disabled or removed by owners. > > Mechanical valve is best for a reason. > > Best > > Bruce Verhei > > On Aug 3, 2016, at 11:25, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: > > Or use a solenoid valve that is energized open and let the flow switch break > the circuit. If/when the valve fails, it will get fixed. > > Mark at Aero > 602 820-7894 > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Steve Leyton > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 10:57 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Solenoid Valve for domestic side of 13D system riser > > What’s easier, more cost-effective and (most important) more failsafe and > reliable in light of the fact that this product will NEVER be ITM’d after > it’s installed? I assume you’re designing to an undersized meter. Either > get relief from the water agency to add the 5 GPM to the intermittent flow > rate of the sprinklers (as opposed to the continuous flow for which the meter > is rated) or have the owner bite the bullet and buy a larger meter? > > I’m sure there are people who will disagree with me, but relying on an > electrical device that is not subject to regular exercise or inspection isn’t > my idea of reliable. > > SL > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Owen Evans > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 10:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Solenoid Valve for domestic side of 13D system riser > > Hi Don, > > Thanks for responding. I checked out the RSV-1 from Tyco and the list price > is $1,000.00. I about fell out of my chair. It is on the sprinkler riser with > a branch off to the domestic. When fire sprinklers flow the pressure change > causes the valve to shut off the domestic. It is non-electric, maybe that is > why it is so expensive. It has been years but the one I have seen was a > simple solenoid valve that is attached to the domestic water and simply > closes when it receives an electric current from the activated flow switch. > HELP anybody! > > Owen Evans > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Casey <[email protected]> > To: sprinklerforum <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, Aug 3, 2016 10:20 am > Subject: RE: Solenoid Valve for domestic side of 13D system riser > > Check out Tyco’s RSV-1 valve > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Owen Evans > Sent: 2016/08/03 1:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Solenoid Valve for domestic side of 13D system riser > > Hello Folks, > > Anybody have a source in southern California where I can get a 1" electric > solenoid valve to shut off domestic flow (activated by the flow switch)? This > is so I can eliminate the 5 gpm from the 13D calculations. > > Thank you, > Owen Evans > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
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