I'd ask the manufacturer what their position is.

Best.

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:08, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> Good information, do you have any forensic statistics on these failures that 
> would give an indication of the cause of the failure? Improper installation, 
> rust/corrosion, produce defect?
> Mark at Aero
> 602 820-7894
>  
>  
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] 
> On Behalf Of Top Myers
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 11:44 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Use of Set Screw Type Restraint Fire Pump Suction and Discharge
>  
> Over the years, we have had a number of Uniflange claims.  Same with some of 
> their competitors which are import.  The rating of 25,000 is based on perfect 
> conditions and when installed in front of system with water flow upstream the 
> water often runs for a long time before noticed. I support Dan Arnolds 
> observation.
>  
> Top Myers
> Myers Risk Services
> 2102 Kimberton Road, Unit 741
> Kimberton, PA 19442
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> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] 
> On Behalf Of Daniel Arnold
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 11:48 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Use of Set Screw Type Restraint Fire Pump Suction and Discharge
>  
> Bill:
>  
> I have seen separations of these style flanges in situations as you describe 
> and others.     Personally, I do not spec/use them without rods but there are 
> many, many out there.  
>  
> (Did not sign my prior post…. Apologies,)
>  
> Dan Arnold
> Seneca Fire Engineering, LLC
>  
>  
> 
> On Dec 16, 2016, at 8:30 AM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> If you look up the technical data sheet on a "Uniflange" you'll find that 
> this device has a rated holding strength in the 25,000 pound range based on 
> the pipe diameter. They are commonly used out here in the Wild West. We have 
> never seen a failure on a properly installed device. 
> 
> Mark at Aero
> 602 820-7894
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 16, 2016, at 6:20 AM, Bill Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> A case came up today about the use of a “mechanical joint wedge action 
> restraint” on the suction and discharge side of a diesel driven pump.  
> Someone accepted a change and eliminated the rods, then put a MJWAC at the 
> top of the ductile pipe on each side of the pump.  A commissioning agent has 
> refused to start the pump based on the concern the restraint will “wiggle” 
> off the end of the ductile under repeated pump operation either during the 
> acceptance test or sometime later.
>  
> Is this a creative use of this type restraint, or is it a totally bad idea?  
> By the way, the underground elbow is a restrained type mechanical joint.
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Bill Brooks
> Brooks Fire Protection Engineering Inc.
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