Good advice on using the NFPA formulas Travis, thanks, and when I am 'on
the clock' I do.
Thanks John. I didn't care during my first twenty years. But I always had
an uneasy feeling when "everything I know about hydraulics I learned from
the rules in NFPA 13". Unlike you, I was an English Major when I dropped
out of college. Now this question is merely an after-hour curiosity, for
entertainment purposes only if you will.
That FM 2 1/2" K looks like C=.8 Allan, thanks.

Brad
On Feb 22, 2017 11:42 PM, "IPA" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I believe I saved this info from this very forum but I have noted that FM
> global used to have k-factors for hydrants. Here are the values:
> 2 3/8" 134
> 2 1/2" 149
> 2 5/8" 164
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 6:48 PM, John Denhardt <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Travis - well said
>>
>> Brad - who really cares if hydrants have a K factor?  I know I don't.
>>
>> John August Denhardt, P.E.
>> Strickland Fire Protection
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 8:45 PM, Travis Mack, SET <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Or just use the formula in NFPA 291- Standard for Hydrant Marking and
>> flow tests or something like that...
>>
>> Q = 29.83*d^2*Cd*P^0.5
>>
>> d = hydrant outlet diameter in inches
>>
>> C = the outlet coefficient (0.7, 0.8 or 0.9)
>>
>> P = Pitot pressure that is measured
>>
>> Not everything has to be extremely complicated and thought out to the nth
>> degree.  If you are really so inclined, why not spend the next few years
>> solving for Pi to the 1,000,000th point.  And guess what...... if you
>> assign K to be 29.83*d^2*Cd........ you get 168 for your example.
>> Wow...sometimes the simplest methods are the best.
>>
>> There is a true phenomenon that causes many people problems - *paralysis
>> through analysis*.
>>
>>
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>> On 2/22/2017 5:58 PM, Brad Casterline wrote:
>>
>> Say it's a 2.5" C=.9.
>>
>> I've tried to work this out a couple different ways:
>> 1) a kind of long drawn out way, call it 'brad's way', and I get ~168.
>> 2) a way i call the 'Bill Brooks back of napkin' way based on a few words
>> he posted here a few years ago-- lightening fast, and i'll be damned if i
>> dont get the same ~168! Basically, since K is the square feet area of the
>> orifice he says 5*5*5.6=140, times (.9/.75) = 168.
>> Anyway, if a hydrant butt has a K we could pretty quickly get the Q after
>> the pitot'd P with Q=K*SQRT(P).
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Brad
>> .
>>
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