I'm always interested in helping them find a new career path in life. I feel their personal skills are much better suited for a position as a prison guard. Then at least some of their customers deserve that kind of behavior.
I have also been known to remind them that they are a Public Servant, and then ask them to reference Mr. Webster if they don't understand the meaning of Servant. It's usually about that time when I wake up and realize it was all just a wonderful dream! Dang it!! Mark at Aero 602 820-7894 Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Travis Mack, SET <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: We run into this periodically. Those in that position don't often last too long because if they treat their customers (contractors and design professionals) in that manner, they are usually causing other problems in the workplace that doesn't allow them to stay in their position for too long. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC 2508 E Lodgepole Drive Gilbert, AZ 85298 480-505-9271 fax: 866-430-6107 email:[email protected]<mailto:email:[email protected]> http://www.mfpdesign.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack On 5/8/2017 7:26 PM, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: I can not stand nor do I tolerate an inspector who states "you shall because I say so". They do this because they stand behind a badge while having very little knowledge, or respect, for the codes that stand behind them. It's an abuse of power, it's ignorance of the codes and ego. Don't stand for it! MHO Owen Evans Former municipal plan check inspector, now designer and consultant. Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2017, at 10:27 AM, rongreenman . <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: So it seems that once again because we aren't part of the initial design process, experts on the interealtion of building/life safety systems at a detail level far above the that of most architects and engineers are not consulted until a plan is finalized. Sad. On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 11:33 AM Steve Leyton <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: One of our local AHJ’s observed that there are UL listed assemblies for floor ceiling assemblies and that the addition of insulation in fact voids the listing of some that aren’t insulated (remember, this is sunny CA). So for plans submitted to that particular agency, we not only have to pick between the 3,000 sq. ft. (or 8-sprinkler) design area or using insulation. In the case of the latter, they want a detail of the floor-ceiling and/or roof-ceiling assembly showing the insulation AND the UL listing number for the assembly. On the sprinkler plans. At first, we were frustrated because they hadn’t codified this and we were just getting back plan review comments. But I see why they’re doing it and I agree with this practice. Steve L. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of John Drucker Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 9:29 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: special inspections Ahhh I was waiting for that question. Because it's in the sprinkler standard, noted on the sprinkler plans by the sprinkler designer, and often the architect nor engineer know the sprinkler designer took that option, or it conflicts with the architects design. As a result we deny such applications unless the insulation fill is also shown on the architectural plans. In New Jersey it is also an adopted regulation that any plans, shop drawings etc prepared by other than the principal designer have to be reviewed and approved by the principal designer with an accompanying letter at the time of submission to that affect. Often enough we get back from the principal designer that the method submitted by others is not approved. On May 8, 2017 12:14 PM, "rongreenman ." <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Seems to me that if the architect or GC wants to fill the space with insulation instead of sprinkle ring it's between him and the insulator to get it right. If the AHJ wants to get involved then OK, but with them. If you don't put in sprinklers because insulation has been approved what business is it of the sprinkler guy? On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:54 AM John Drucker - Home <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Members, When an interstitial space is filled entirely with non-combustible insulation we coordinate with the contractor and perform the inspection ourselves. 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