I don't disagree with you. But at the same time I don't mind putting a little effort in to helping with a solution. I won't perform any work or include anything in my scope I am not qualified to do. I already told him I would have nothing to do with the tank design or installation. And if I can't come up with a solution for him I'll tell him so.
John Irwin DynaFire Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 10:37 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Residential water storage This just underscores what's fundamentally wrong with deferring the fire protection design until after all the other disciplines have completed their work. It also underscores how little care is given or interest there is in fire protection in the community of building owners and builders, whether they are residential or commercial. I understand that as a consultant and independent design firm, we have a lot more leverage in situations like this but I was a contractor for nearly 15 years and I haven't forgotten which end of the horse eats the apple and which one discharges it. Here's how I'd handle it if my client told me that they were, "... adamant that they don't give up any floor space." "You have to give up the floor space or put it outside or create another structure to house it." See, not so high tech. You're taking ownership of THEIR problem. You're spending your time trying to find a solution after you already gave the client the benefit of your best advice. I would encourage the homeowner to consult their architect and come up with a solution. If the doctor says that you need to wear an odd-looking shoe to relieve your plantar fasciitis, do you say, "No, that won't complement my wardrobe"? Geez ... -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Irwin Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 6:51 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Residential water storage Nope. I offered that. They are adamant that they don't give up any floor space. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ John Irwin DynaFire Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> On Behalf Of Travis Mack Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 9:47 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Residential water storage Instead of underground tank, can you sell them on a Talco Home Hydrant tank and pump system? They have a small foot print. Put an automatic float valve on it and you have your city supply being used should it be available. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC "Follow" us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 19, 2018, at 6:41 AM, John Irwin <john.ir...@dynafire.com> wrote: > > I swear after 25 years in sprinklers I am amazed at how often new > situations are still presented to me … > > > > Here’s my situation … 22,000 sqft single family home. The owners lost > water completely in the last hurricane and want to make sure that the > new sprinkler system will continue to have a water supply if this > happens again. So they want to bury a grey water tank in the yard > that’s specifically for fire sprinkler supply. What considerations do > I even start with on this? It’s a 13D system, so do I have to take > NFPA 22 into consideration? How do I get water out of an underground > tank? Standard well pump? Should I not even bother with a city supply > if I am feeding off of a tank? Obviously money doesn’t seem to be a > consideration … > > > > > > > > > > > > John Irwin > > Fire Sprinkler Specialist > > DynaFire, Inc. > > 727-282-9243 – Cell > > > > *“A customer is the most important visitor on our premises. He is not > dependent on us. We are dependent on him. He is not an interruption on > our work. He is the purpose of it. He is not an outsider on our > business. He is a part of it. We are not doing him a favour by serving > him. 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