Brad: While I appreciate your enthusiasm regarding the metrics, sometimes it's important to put aside your Ti58. We're talking about a temporary solution that entails using a paper cup coated with a flammable substance that melts at 140°F. Instead of algorithms, why don't you throw your energies into diligent search of the NFIRS database and see if you can find an IR on a sprinkler impairment that was caused by such a situation.
Steve -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 9:38 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Protective Cap As they should Steve! A good one would be able to prove the cup delayed the activation by 10 seconds, making the heat release rate 100 kW higher at that time than the control mode discharge rate was designed for. Brad Quoting Steve Leyton <[email protected]>: > And we used to screw 6” all day long. I’m not anti-progress but I > don’t think using a flammable, wax-coated paper shell is a giant > step backward. Though I’m sure there are a hundred lawyers out > there that would disagree. > > SML > > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Phillips, Mark > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 8:30 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Protective Cap > > True > We used to use fast food french fry paper bags and Teflon tape to > hold them on but then again USED to hang 6” sch.40 pipe off 10’ > ladders with no tie off. > > Definitely different times . Hopefully along the way we started > working smarter and not harder > > > [cid:[email protected]] > > Mark > > > > Phillips > > > Vice President of Fire Protection > > , > > Kirlin Carolinas, LLC > > > > t: 919-526-1584<tel:919-526-1584> > > | > > m: 919-610-0490<tel:919-610-0490> > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > | > > https://kirlingroup.com<https://kirlingroup.com/> > > > 8000 Brownleigh Dr > > , > > Raleigh > > , > > NC > > > > 27617 > > > > [cid:[email protected]]<https://twitter.com/KirlinGroup> > > > [cid:[email protected]]<https://www.facebook.com/kirlinllc> > > > [cid:[email protected]]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/133201/> > > > > > > > [cid:[email protected]]<https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/KirlinCarolinaSurvey> > > [cid:[email protected]]<https://www.kirlingroup.com/join-our-team-careers/#opportunity> > > [cid:[email protected]]<https://kirlingroup.com/> > > > > From: Sprinklerforum > <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve > Leyton > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 11:24 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Protective Cap > > Maybe I’m getting to that age where I start a lot of sentences with, > “Back in the day …”. Or maybe everyone’s gotten so upside-down > with engineered solutions and mitigating liability that we can’t > just resort to the hacks that we devised before there was a > Coverdome solution. But back in the day, we used 3 oz. Dixie cups. > > Steve L. > > > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Phillips, Mark > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2018 11:23 AM > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Protective Cap > > The system should be treated as live and everyone made responible > for taking precautions. > > The make products like the attached > > https://www.coverdome.com/ > Can be removed and reattached from the ground with a tool. > > Imho > > > > > > Sent from my cell phone. Please excuse spelling etc. > > > [cid:[email protected]] > > Mark > > > > Phillips > > > Vice President of Fire Protection > > , > > Kirlin Carolinas, LLC > > > > t: 919-526-1584<tel:919-526-1584> > > | > > m: 919-610-0490<tel:919-610-0490> > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > | > > https://kirlingroup.com<https://kirlingroup.com/> > > > 8000 Brownleigh Dr > > , > > Raleigh > > , > > NC > > > > 27617 > > > > [cid:[email protected]]<https://twitter.com/KirlinGroup> > > > [cid:[email protected]]<https://www.facebook.com/kirlinllc> > > > [cid:[email protected]]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/133201/> > > > > > > > [cid:[email protected]]<https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/KirlinCarolinaSurvey> > > [cid:[email protected]]<https://www.kirlingroup.com/join-our-team-careers/#opportunity> > > [cid:[email protected]]<https://kirlingroup.com/> > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: John Paulsen <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Date: 5/27/18 2:09 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Protective Cap > > Then I would put a head guard on before the paper bag. > John Paulsen > Crown Fire System Design > > Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> > > ________________________________ > From: Sprinklerforum > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > on behalf of [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2018 1:50:07 PM > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Protective Cap > > That's a great idea when used during drywall mud or painting. But if > they're sanding, especially with extension sticks, there's the risk > of hitting a head. Thank you for the info. > Owen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 27, 2018, at 10:20 AM, John Paulsen > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > I'm sure there are going to be those that disagree, but I have seen > paper "sandwich" bags put over the head and secured with paper tape. > The theory being that the bag would burn away in the event of a fire. > I have seen this used in paint spray booths and other areas subject > to overspray, with AHJ approval of course. > John Paulsen > Crown Fire System Design > Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> > > ________________________________ > From: Sprinklerforum > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > on behalf of Matthew J Willis > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2018 10:45:03 AM > To: Forum > Subject: Re: Protective Cap > > Maybe plastic baggies or paper. > > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid > On May 27, 2018 9:09 AM, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > This is a very large retail area going through major remodel with > hotel above. At the end of work day they must remove 100+ caps via > scissor lift, then replace the following day. This will go on for > weeks. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 26, 2018, at 7:25 PM, Matthew J Willis > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > The answer is no. The sprinklers are sensitive by their design. > Anything added to them will affect their performance. > Why do you ask? > > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid > On May 26, 2018 9:08 PM, Michael Goodis > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > What kind of protection are you looking for? Damage or paint/Sheetrock mud? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 25, 2018, at 1:34 PM, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Is there a protective cap out there that can remain on the head yet >> allow the sprinkler head to function normally? 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