That's my point. Calculated the sprinklers that are on any single balcony. If the balconies are continuous, keep adding sprinklers to a maximum of 4 sprinklers. However, if there are separations between the balconies, do not extend just to reach 4 sprinklers.
The issue i have is the typical balcony is not considered a compartment as no walls exists. So, in accordance with NFPA 13R, where is the compartment? Thanks. John John August Denhardt, PE *Vice President, Engineering and Technical Services* *American Fire Sprinkler Association* m: p: 301-343-1457 214-349-5965 ext 121 w: firesprinkler.org <https://www.facebook.com/firesprinkler.org/> <https://twitter.com/afsa/status/1039528345367732224> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-fire-sprinkler-association-afsa-/> <https://www.instagram.com/firesprinklerorg/> *Grow your business with ITM.* Professionalize the role of your inspection team with AFSA’s comprehensive 20-month ITM Inspector Development program that provides a blended learning environment teamed with robust curriculum created by top industry leaders. Now enrolling <https://www.firesprinkler.org/itm> for Spring 2020. On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 4:31 AM Fpdcdesign via Sprinklerforum < [email protected]> wrote: > First, even if it is not required by the standard, you would calculate it > as if it was. > > Second, is the design such that a single balcony requires 4 or more > sprinklers? > > > On Mar 10, 2020 at 12:23 AM, <J H via Sprinklerforum > <[email protected]>> wrote: > > I don't doubt their efficacy or necessity - my question is essentially how > do you calculate an area that is not required to be sprinklered by the > standard in the first place and does not meet w/ the definition of a > compartment? I'll just go ahead and do a four head calc for this balcony > like I always do but I was wondering what others were doing. My second > thought would be to just size the piping to the balcony sprinklers using > the same interior pipe sizes without calculating it as it's own > compartment. We've had similar situations arise when jurisdictions required > limited attic protection in 13D systems and didn't give any guidance on how > to calculate the required quick response sprinklers they were requiring at > the ridge. > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> > <#m_-6760020793219401511_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 4:33 PM Bruce Verhei via Sprinklerforum < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> https://www-dailyherald-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.dailyherald.com/amp-article/20200221/news/200229736/ >> >> Balcony fire, spk head. >> >> On Mar 6, 2020, at 13:11, Pete Schwab via Sprinklerforum < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> We only calculate the single balcony in question. >> >> >> >> >> >> Peter Schwab >> >> VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies >> >> >> >> Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. >> >> 222 Capitol Court >> >> Ocoee, Fl 34761 >> >> >> >> *Mobile: (407) 468-8248* >> >> Direct: (407) 877-5570 >> >> Fax: (407) 656-8026 >> >> >> >> www.waynefire.com >> >> >> >> <image001.jpg> >> >> >> >> <image002.png> >> >> >> >> *I sleep in a sprinklered home, do you? * >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> *On >> Behalf Of *J H via Sprinklerforum >> *Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 3:52 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Cc:* J H <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* How are you guys handling calcs for 13R balconies? >> >> >> >> I was wondering how you guys are handling calculations for 13R balconies >> since the sprinklers aren't even required per 13R but are mandated by the >> IBC? Treating it as a compartment in this case means I have to do a 4 head >> calc when the rest of the project only requires 2 heads calculated due to >> compartmentalization. It's not a big deal but kind of a bummer when you can >> have really small pipe sizes for a project if it weren't for those pesky >> guys on the balcony! >> >> >> >> J >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >> > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing > list [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >
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