Jeff:

As a 3rd party consultant, we've been offering remediation and claims 
management services as well as technical consulting to the legal, property 
ownership and property management communities on MIC-related issues for about 
15 years.   2 years ago, we spun off a subsidiary business to diagnose and 
treat MIC exclusively.  In all that time, which includes comprehensive 
diagnostic work (water sampling, internal video recording, metallurgy, etc.) we 
have never found piping that was damaged beyond repair that wasn't Schedule 7.  
 To be clear, we have never replaced, nor programmed for replacement, any Sch. 
10 or Sch. 40 due to its being damaged beyond the point where it can be treated 
in place.    And we've overseen the removal of Schedule 7 that began pinhole 
leaking as early as 5 years after installation...

Steve L.

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Subject: Re: schedule 7 pipe?

I have been designing with sch 7 pipe for over 25 years. Not sure about 
longevity. But you mentioned A53 unlisted pipe. Possibly getting listed?

I would really like to see comparisons of sch 7, 10 and 40 for corrosion and 
MIC. Specially treated pipe some manufacturers claim. Always heard that sch 40 
threads are just as bad as sch 10 grooved.

Jeff

On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 12:45 PM Scott Futrell via Sprinklerforum < 
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:

> Considering how much corrosion I've observed and documented in wet and 
> dry systems in schedule 10 in 8-15 years - not MIC - we only specify 
> schedule 40.
>
> Scott
>
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> Subject: RE: schedule 7 pipe?
>
> Considering how much "Sch. 7" we've seen perforated by MIC, and also 
> that our firm is heavily invested in the institutional and educations 
> sectors where clients want 50+ year buildings, we only spec' Sch. 10 and 40.
>
> Steve L.
>
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> Subject: schedule 7 pipe?
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> Has there been any push/interest in allowing unlisted (standard ASTM 
> A53) schedule 7 steel pipe to be allowed by code in place of the listed "flow"
> piping options?
>
> Matt
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