Gonzalo,

I have the same question as Phillip.

It would be very concerning if drag-drop style "editor tab-reordering" was 
not included in the 3.0 release.

My productivity in Spyder is held back on a daily basis due to not having 
this capability. So I look forward to the 3.0 release mainly for this 
feature, and I may not be alone in this.

Thank you,
Dan

On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 3:20:59 PM UTC-4, Phillip Vallance wrote:
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> Gonzalo Peña-Castellanos,
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> Does this mean tab-reordering won't be apart of the 3.0 release?
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> On Saturday, April 16, 2016 at 12:13:28 PM UTC-4, Gonzalo Peña-Castellanos 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dan thanks for your comments.
>>
>> It is very encouraging for the developer team to hear about new users 
>> (mostly) happy with Spyder.
>>
>> I am in charge of making the tab ordering for the editor 
>> https://github.com/spyder-ide/spyder/pull/2372, but I am not entirely 
>> happy with the approach I took so I need to start again. However rest 
>> assured that this is something in our radar.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> On Wednesday, 30 March 2016 09:21:15 UTC-5, Dan Codiga wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you for the suggestion about WinPdb. I will try that. I don't use 
>>> a debugger a whole lot either. My code is typically just barely complex 
>>> enough to need a debugger, but not so simple that I can be productive 
>>> without a good IDE (i.e. with just a text editor, or with just ipython 
>>> notebook).
>>>
>>> I did go get and try PyCharm (community edition). My experience was not 
>>> successful with it yet. As it is mainly built for software developers, not 
>>> scientific programmers, I found it frustratingly complex and inflexible. I 
>>> don't need the rigidity of keeping all files/folders as a designated 
>>> 'project', as it requires. My code is oriented around interactive work, and 
>>> is based on ipython (including some of its magic commands)-- neither of 
>>> which go well when using the main 'run console' that is the default around 
>>> which PyCharm is built. (Unless I am misunderstanding something ... see 
>>> https://intellij-support.jetbrains.com/hc/en-us/requests/655254?flash_digest=f0b9cdbc61c6b9f58c958b0e0c6e3ed5df1a3e23.)
>>>  
>>> Furthermore, their debugger may be good but it is only well-integrated with 
>>> their 'run console', not necessarily the ipython console, as far as I could 
>>> tell. I had some existing code (modest number of files and simple folder 
>>> tree) that worked well within Spyder and didn't need to modify the path or 
>>> mess with PYTHONPATH or any other environment variables, and I found that 
>>> to get it to run inside PyCharm I had to let PyCharm change the path and 
>>> use PYTHONPATH. Furthermore my code imported cx_Oracle (a version that 
>>> causes no error) but when run in PyCharm that import found and used a 
>>> different cx_Oracle, that came with PyCharm, and caused an obscure Win32 
>>> error.
>>>
>>> So for now I am sticking with Spyder. If I find that WinPdb meets my 
>>> debugging needs with Spyder, then the main thing about Spyder that I still 
>>> find limiting is that I can't reorder tabs in the editor (which of course 
>>> PyCharm does rather well). 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 2:28:25 PM UTC-5, Nikolay Karelin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Dan,
>>>>
>>>> If the debugger in Spyder is limiting for you, you can try WinPdb - it 
>>>> is not quite supported, but rather well written. Alternatively, you can 
>>>> use 
>>>> some 'real' Python IDE with powerful debugger. I prefer PyCharm (free 
>>>> version is ok) for that.
>>>>
>>>> But when I once asked on local Python meetup "Guys, which debugger do 
>>>> you prefer?", most of audience told - print or logging is enough except 
>>>> really complex situations ;)
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 8:02:24 PM UTC+3, Dan Codiga wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a scientific programmer with many years of Matlab experience, and 
>>>>> have been using Spyder over the past several months as I learn Python and 
>>>>> transition to using it instead of Matlab. Overall I am happy with Spyder 
>>>>> as 
>>>>> an IDE. (Using it on Win7 64bit.)
>>>>>
>>>>> However, there are at least a few aspects that I consider to be 
>>>>> important weaknesses. In particular: the debugger is quite limited and 
>>>>> frustrating; I can't drag-drop to reorder tabs in the editor; and 
>>>>> oftentimes the File Explorer doesn't update (if there is an easy way to 
>>>>> trigger an update please point me to it). 
>>>>>
>>>>> Will the next release of Spyder (3.0, as I understand it) address 
>>>>> these issues? If so, in what ways?
>>>>>
>>>>> And what is the latest guesstimate for when the next release will be 
>>>>> out?
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>

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