On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:54 PM, Michael Bayer wrote:

> 
> On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Jacob Biesinger wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Re-asking a question from stackoverflow here.  
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12148503/arbitrary-collections-in-sqlalchemy-with-referential-integrity
>> 
>> I'm converting a library to use SA as the datastore. I like the flexibility 
>> of the PickleType column, but it doesn't seem to work well when pickling SA 
>> objects (table rows).  Even if I overload setstate and getstate to do a 
>> query + session merge when unpickling, there's no referential integrity 
>> across that pickle boundary.  That means that I can't query collections of 
>> objects.
>> 
>> class Bar(Base):
>>     id = Column(Integer, primary_key=True)
>>     __tablename__ = 'bars'
>>     foo_id = Column(Integer, ForeignKey('foos.id'), primary_key=True)
>> 
>> class Foo(Base):
>>     __tablename__ = 'foos'
>>     values = Column(PickleType)
>>     #values = relationship(Bar)  # list interface (one->many), but can't 
>> assign a scalar or use a dictionary
>>     def __init__(self):
>>         self.values = [Bar(), Bar()]
>> 
>>         # only allowed with PickleType column
>>         #self.values = Bar()
>>         #self.values = {'one' : Bar()}
>>         #self.values = [ [Bar(), Bar()], [Bar(), Bar()]]
>> 
>> # get all Foo's with a Bar whose id=1
>> session.query(Foo).filter(Foo.values.any(Bar.id == 1)).all()
>> 
>> One workaround would be to implement my own mutable object type as is done 
>> here: 
>> https://github.com/ccat/sqlalchemy_examples/blob/master/mutable_example/mutable_alwayUpdate.py#L51
>>  and to have some kind of flattening scheme which traverses the collections 
>> and appends them to a simpler one->many relationship.  Perhaps the flattened 
>> list might have to be weakrefs to the pickled collection's objects?  
>> Tracking changes and references sounds like no fun.  Any advice?
> 
> The PickleType is really a hacky way around edge cases where you have some 
> arbitrary object you'd just like to shove away.     It's a given that when 
> you use PickleType, you're giving up any relational advantages, including 
> being able to filter/query on them, etc.   
> 
> So putting an ORM mapped object in a Pickle is basically a terrible idea.
> 
> If you want a collection of scalar values, use traditional mappings and 
> relationship() in combination with association_proxy.  See 
> http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_7/orm/extensions/associationproxy.html#simplifying-scalar-collections
>  .

re: "or dictionaries".  Use attribute_mapped_collection:  
http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_7/orm/collections.html#dictionary-collections

"dictionaries plus scalars": combine both attribute_mapped_collection and 
association_proxy: 
http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_7/orm/extensions/associationproxy.html#proxying-to-dictionary-based-collections


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