On Apr 26, 2013, at 7:59 PM, Michael Bayer <mike...@zzzcomputing.com> wrote:

> 
> On Apr 26, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Claudio Freire <klaussfre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Claudio Freire <klaussfre...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Michael Bayer <mike...@zzzcomputing.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Anyway, with that (fragile) change, I get a speedup of 10% overall
>>>>> runtime, and about 50% alchemy-specific runtime. Considering I knew
>>>>> about attribute access' slowness and avoided it in my test, that has
>>>>> to account for something worth looking into?
>>>> 
>>>> All attributes have to be expire-able and act as proxies for a database 
>>>> connection so I'm not really sure where to go with that.    I'm not too 
>>>> thrilled about proposals to build in various "alternate performance" 
>>>> behaviors as the library starts to try to act in many different ways that 
>>>> the vast majority of users aren't even aware of, it increases complexity 
>>>> internally, produces vast amounts of new use cases to test and maintain, 
>>>> etc.    I'm always willing to look at patches that are all winning, of 
>>>> course, so if you have some way to speed things up without breaking usage 
>>>> contracts and without major new complexity/brittleness I'd love to look at 
>>>> a pull request.
>>> 
>>> I know, it's just a probe to see what kind of a speedup could be
>>> obtained by not having that getter's interference. You know... simply
>>> implementing InstrumentedAttribute in C could do the trick...
>> 
>> 
>> In fact... I'm gonna try that...
> 
> feel free!  though you might be surprised, a C function that just calls out 
> to all the same Python operations anyway is often only negligibly faster, not 
> enough to make the extra complexity worth it.

also if you're looking to help with C, I'd love to get the C extensions out in 
the Py3K version, we have a patch that's fallen out of date at 
http://www.sqlalchemy.org/trac/ticket/2161 that needs freshening up and testing.

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