OK well of course also, as we have the exact same thing being asked in regards 
to Oracle right now in another thread, you can of course always bypass a 
"bound" value in the most direct way, using text() or literal_column():

q = s.query(Something).filter(Something.foo = literal_column("'my value'"))



On May 12, 2014, at 8:38 PM, Michael Bayer <mike...@zzzcomputing.com> wrote:

> well or a FreeTDS issue, more likely, if that's what you're using.
> 
> the SQL compiler has a parameter called "literal_binds" that will make it 
> render a bound parameter as an inline string, but it only supports a few very 
> basic types.    As far as getting this parameter set for a general class of 
> queries, it depends on when you'd want it to happen and how.   It likely 
> would require some subclassing and possibly monkey patching.
> 
> 
> On May 12, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Seth P <spadow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> pymssql produces the same results as pyodbc. So it looks like a SQL Server 
>> issue.
>> 
>> On Monday, May 12, 2014 8:06:08 PM UTC-4, Seth P wrote:
>> Fair enough. I'll take a look at pymssql, though I suspect it may be a SQL 
>> Server rather than a driver issue.
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, May 12, 2014 7:50:03 PM UTC-4, Michael Bayer wrote:
>> 
>> On May 12, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Seth P <spad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Looks like other people have encountered similar problems with indices 
>>> being ignored by prepared sql statements: 
>>> http://www.postgresql.org/message-id/43250afa.7010...@arbash-meinel.com. 
>>> (If the diagnosis there is correct, then I'm guessing the server would use 
>>> a unique index where all the columns of the index are specified.) Also, 
>>> Thierry Florac's post 
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sqlalchemy/k_9ZGI-e85E sounds 
>>> similar.
>>> (I suspect my earlier hypothesis about int vs varchar is a red herring.)
>>> 
>>> I think it would be useful (albeit risky, if not careful) to have an option 
>>> to plug in parameters client-side. I presume not trivial to add to 
>>> SQLAlchemy? I don't see such an option for pyodbc.
>> 
>> there's mechanisms for this but they aren't very widely advertised since as 
>> you know allowing people to do such would be an *enormous* security hole, 
>> and I don't have the resources to be responsible for parameter escaping.   
>> It would be better if you could try pymssql (much more actively maintained 
>> than pyodbc from what i can tell) and/or file a bug with pyodbc.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Monday, May 12, 2014 7:09:08 PM UTC-4, Seth P wrote:
>>> Yep, it's not a SQLAlchemy issue. The following code demonstrates the 
>>> problem with direct pyodbc access.
>>> 
>>> import pyodbc
>>> import time
>>> 
>>> def print_timing(func):
>>>     def wrapper(*arg):
>>>         t1 = time.time()
>>>         rows = func(*arg)
>>>         t2 = time.time()
>>>         print("%30s() len=%d, last=%s, runtime=%0.3fs" % (str(func).split(' 
>>> at')[0][10:], len(rows), rows[-1], t2 - t1))
>>>         return t2 - t1
>>>     return wrapper
>>> 
>>> if __name__ == '__main__':
>>>     cnxn = pyodbc.connect('DRIVER={SQL 
>>> Server};SERVER=Compustat;DATABASE=Compustat')
>>>     cursor = cnxn.cursor()
>>>     sql_select_statement_base = "SELECT datadate, prcod FROM sec_dprc WHERE 
>>> gvkey = ? ORDER BY datadate"
>>>     key = '001045'
>>> 
>>>     @print_timing
>>>     def execute_explicit_query():
>>>         sql_select_statement_explicit = 
>>> sql_select_statement_base.replace("?", "'%s'" % key)
>>>         rows = cursor.execute(sql_select_statement_explicit).fetchall()
>>>         return rows
>>> 
>>>     @print_timing
>>>     def execute_parameterized_query():
>>>         rows = cursor.execute(sql_select_statement_base, key).fetchall()
>>>         return rows
>>> 
>>>     num_iterations = 5
>>>     explicit_runtime = 0.0
>>>     parameterized_runtime = 0.0
>>>     for i in range(num_iterations):
>>>         explicit_runtime += execute_explicit_query()
>>>         parameterized_runtime += execute_parameterized_query()
>>>     print("Total runtime for %d explicit queries = %0.3fs." % 
>>> (num_iterations, explicit_runtime))
>>>     print("Total runtime for %d parameterized queries = %0.3fs." % 
>>> (num_iterations, parameterized_runtime))
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Monday, May 12, 2014 6:40:48 PM UTC-4, Michael Bayer wrote:
>>> 
>>> On May 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Seth P <spad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Is it possible that the (primary key index (which is a composite index 
>>>> that begins with gvkey, and is the only index on the table) isn't being 
>>>> used because the the gvkey parameter is somehow passed as an integer 
>>>> rather than as a string?
>>> 
>>> There's nothing in SQLAlchemy that coerces strings to integers.  If the 
>>> actual type of the column on the DB is an integer, then there might be some 
>>> conversion within pyodbc or the ODBC driver.
>>> 
>>> if you've got it narrowed down this much the next step is to figure out a 
>>> raw pyodbc script that illustrates what the problem is. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> The first EXEC below is pretty much instantaneous, whereas the second 
>>>> takes about 8 seconds (and produces the same results).
>>>> 
>>>> EXEC sp_executesql
>>>> N'SELECT sec_dprc.datadate AS sec_dprc_datadate, sec_dprc.prcod AS 
>>>> sec_dprc_prcod
>>>> FROM sec_dprc WHERE sec_dprc.gvkey = @gvkey ORDER BY sec_dprc.datadate',
>>>> N'@gvkey VARCHAR(6)', '001045'
>>>> 
>>>> EXEC sp_executesql
>>>> N'SELECT sec_dprc.datadate AS sec_dprc_datadate, sec_dprc.prcod AS 
>>>> sec_dprc_prcod
>>>> FROM sec_dprc WHERE sec_dprc.gvkey = @gvkey ORDER BY sec_dprc.datadate',
>>>> N'@gvkey INT', 001045
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Monday, May 12, 2014 5:00:27 PM UTC-4, Michael Bayer wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> well there's only one parameter being processed here so there is clearly 
>>>> negligible difference in time spent within Python as far as getting the 
>>>> statement ready to execute and then executing it.
>>>> 
>>>> So the time is either in what SQL Server spends fetching the rows, or the 
>>>> number of rows being fetched (which seems to be the same).   Which leaves 
>>>> pretty much that SQL Server is making a different choice about the query 
>>>> plan for this SELECT statement, this is typically due to an INDEX being 
>>>> used or not.    You'd need to analyze the plan being used.   With SQL 
>>>> Server, the option to get a plan within programmatic execution seems to be 
>>>> per this answer 
>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7359702/how-do-i-obtain-a-query-execution-plan
>>>>  to execute "SET SHOWPLAN_TEXT ON" ahead of time.
>>>> 
>>>> Besides that, you can confirm where the time is being spent exactly using 
>>>> Python profiling.   A description on how to achieve that is here: 
>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1171166/how-can-i-profile-a-sqlalchemy-powered-application/1175677#1175677
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On May 12, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Seth P <spad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> After tracking down some extreme slowness in loading a one-to-many 
>>>>> relationship (e.g. myobject.foobars), I seem to have isolated the issue 
>>>>> to engine.execute() being much slower with parameterized queries than 
>>>>> with explicit queries. The following is actual code and output for 
>>>>> loading 10,971 rows from a database table. (The actual table has more 
>>>>> columns than I'm including here, and is not designed by me.) Note that 
>>>>> each explicit query (where I explicitly set the WHERE clause parameter 
>>>>> and pass the resulting SQL statement to engine.execute()) runs in under 
>>>>> 0.1 seconds, whereas each parameterized query (where I let SQLAlchemy 
>>>>> bind the WHERE clause parameter) takes over 8 seconds.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The difference in runtimes is smaller when the number of rows returned is 
>>>>> smaller, which seems odd since I would have thought that the binding of 
>>>>> the WHERE clause parameters is just done once and would be virtually 
>>>>> instantaneous.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Seth
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> import sqlalchemy as sa
>>>>> from sqlalchemy.orm import sessionmaker
>>>>> from sqlalchemy.ext.declarative import declarative_base
>>>>> import time
>>>>> 
>>>>> engine = sa.create_engine('mssql+pyodbc://Compustat/Compustat')
>>>>> session = sessionmaker(bind=engine, autoflush=False, 
>>>>> expire_on_commit=False)()
>>>>> 
>>>>> class FooBar(declarative_base()):
>>>>>     __tablename__ = 'sec_dprc'
>>>>>     gvkey = sa.Column(sa.String(6), primary_key=True)
>>>>>     datadate = sa.Column(sa.DateTime, primary_key=True)
>>>>>     value = sa.Column(sa.Float, name='prcod')
>>>>> 
>>>>> def print_timing(func):
>>>>>     def wrapper(*arg):
>>>>>         t1 = time.time()
>>>>>         rows = func(*arg)
>>>>>         t2 = time.time()
>>>>>         print("%30s() len=%d, last=%s, runtime=%0.3fs" % 
>>>>> (str(func).split(' at')[0][10:], len(rows), rows[-1], t2 - t1))
>>>>>         return t2 - t1
>>>>>     return wrapper
>>>>> 
>>>>> if __name__ == '__main__':
>>>>> 
>>>>>     key = '001045'
>>>>>     query = session.query(FooBar.datadate, 
>>>>> FooBar.value).filter(sa.and_(FooBar.gvkey == 
>>>>> key)).order_by(FooBar.datadate)
>>>>>     sql_select_statement_base = str(query)
>>>>>     print(sql_select_statement_base)
>>>>> 
>>>>>     @print_timing
>>>>>     def execute_explicit_query():
>>>>>         sql_select_statement_explicit = 
>>>>> sql_select_statement_base.replace(":gvkey_1", "'%s'" % key)
>>>>>         rows = 
>>>>> engine.execute(sa.text(sql_select_statement_explicit)).fetchall()
>>>>>         return rows
>>>>> 
>>>>>     @print_timing
>>>>>     def execute_parameterized_query():
>>>>>         rows = engine.execute(sa.text(sql_select_statement_base), 
>>>>> {'gvkey_1':key}).fetchall()
>>>>>         return rows
>>>>> 
>>>>>     num_iterations = 5
>>>>>     explicit_runtime = 0.0
>>>>>     parameterized_runtime = 0.0
>>>>>     for i in range(num_iterations):
>>>>>         explicit_runtime += execute_explicit_query()
>>>>>         parameterized_runtime += execute_parameterized_query()
>>>>>     print("Total runtime for %d explicit queries = %0.3fs." % 
>>>>> (num_iterations, explicit_runtime))
>>>>>     print("Total runtime for %d parameterized queries = %0.3fs." % 
>>>>> (num_iterations, parameterized_runtime))
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> SELECT sec_dprc.datadate AS sec_dprc_datadate, sec_dprc.prcod AS 
>>>>> sec_dprc_prcod 
>>>>> FROM sec_dprc 
>>>>> WHERE sec_dprc.gvkey = :gvkey_1 ORDER BY sec_dprc.datadate
>>>>>         execute_explicit_query() len=10971, last=(datetime.datetime(2014, 
>>>>> 5, 9, 0, 0), 37.96), runtime=0.082s
>>>>>    execute_parameterized_query() len=10971, last=(datetime.datetime(2014, 
>>>>> 5, 9, 0, 0), 37.96), runtime=8.852s
>>>>>         execute_explicit_query() len=10971, last=(datetime.datetime(2014, 
>>>>> 5, 9, 0, 0), 37.96), runtime=0.032s
>>>>>    execute_parameterized_query() len=10971, last=(datetime.datetime(2014, 
>>>>> 5, 9, 0, 0), 37.96), runtime=8.754s
>>>>>         execute_explicit_query() len=10971, last=(datetime.datetime(2014, 
>>>>> 5, 9, 0, 0), 37.96), runtime=0.039s
>>>>>    execute_parameterized_query() len=10971, last=(datetime.datetime(2014, 
>>>>> 5, 9, 0, 0), 37.96), runtime=9.182s
>>>>>         execute_explicit_query() len=10971, last=(datetime.datetime(2014, 
>>>>> 5, 9, 0, 0), 37.96), runtime=0.028s
>>>>>    execute_parameterized_query() len=10971, last=(datetime.datetime(2014, 
>>>>> 5, 9, 0, 0), 37.96), runtime=9.416s
>>>>>         execute_explicit_query() len=10971, last=(datetime.datetime(2014, 
>>>>> 5, 9, 0, 0), 37.96), runtime=0.080s
>>>>>    execute_parameterized_query() len=10971, last=(datetime.datetime(2014, 
>>>>> 5, 9, 0, 0), 37.96), runtime=8.425s
>>>>> Total runtime for 5 explicit queries = 0.260s.
>>>>> Total runtime for 5 parameterized queries = 44.629s.
>>>>> 
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