Just a thought if you're really mapping tons of classes on the fly as some kind 
of en masse table gateway maybe look at automap

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> On May 17, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Richard Kuesters <rkuest...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hi! sorry for bringing this up so late - sometimes we just have no time to 
> get in sync with all threads :) this is a subject that interests me. i mean, 
> let me explain my current condition:
> 
> i have a set of declarative classes that i get by calling a function, passing 
> it's declarative base as argument (so i can use them more then once, which 
> happens a lot).
> 
> reading about tometadata() made me think about simplifying this process: 
> cloning / copying stubs of my classes to new metadata, or even simplifying my 
> classes. what would be the "appropriate approach", if any?
> 
> today i have this (and is not something i like):
> 
> def get_group_baz(decl_base_obj):
> 
>     class Foo(decl_base_obj):
>         ... # class definition
> 
>     class Bar(decl_base_obj):
>         .... # class definition
> 
>     return dict(foo_cls=Foo, bar_cls=Bar)
> 
> what i think would be more appropriate, but does relationships and all 
> special arguments (tablename, tableargs, etc) be a @declared_attr?:
> 
> class Foo(object):
>     __abstract__ = True  # necessary in this case?
>     ... # same definition of Foo
> 
> class Bar(object):
>     __abstract__ = True  # ?
>     ... # same definition
> 
> 
> def run():
>     cls_to_app1 = dict(foo_cls=declarative_base(cls=Foo, name="App1Foo"), 
> bar_cls=declarative_base(cls=Bar, name="App1Bar"))
>     cls_to_app2 = dict(foo_cls=declarative_base(cls=Foo, name="App2Foo"), 
> bar_cls=declarative_base(cls=Bar, name="App2Bar"))
> 
> or i should have a declarative base with metadata bound to nothing and then 
> clone / copy / do something else?
> 
> 
> best regards,
> richard.
> 
> 
>> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Michael Bayer <mike...@zzzcomputing.com> 
>> wrote:
>> set_shard is a special method added by the horizontal sharding extension.
>> 
>> you can do cross schema queries if you organize the schema names in terms of 
>> which ones apply to the “dynamic” shard and which ones to the “fixed” shard, 
>> if that’s how it works.
>> 
>> If OTOH you literally need to join against multiple, dynamically named 
>> shards at one time, then you need to spell those out explicitly.    it gets 
>> more ugly but if you want a Table that is on the fly linked to a certain 
>> schema explicitly you can use table.tometadata(), see 
>> http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_9/core/metadata.html?highlight=tometadata#sqlalchemy.schema.Table.tometadata.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 6, 2014, at 3:06 AM, Julien Meyer <julien.mey...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My real database schema is a little more complex.
>>> In reality, I have one database by company. In each database, I have 
>>> multiple schemas who contain the same table structure.
>>> 
>>> The solution "schema name execution" will not work in the case when I need 
>>> to access to more than one schema by request.
>>> 
>>> The Horizontal sharding can work : one engine by schema and set the search 
>>> path when creating the engine. During the request processing, I can 
>>> identify wich schema to use and with the use of "set_shard" on the Query 
>>> object (not found in the documentation, normal ?), I can easely select the 
>>> good shard to use.
>>> 
>>> But I don't know how I can make a cross schema query in this case? 
>>> 
>>> Le lundi 5 mai 2014 19:12:06 UTC+2, Michael Bayer a écrit :
>>>> 
>>>> part of a feature that will make this kind of thing more direct is the 
>>>> “schema name execution argument” feature, which is 
>>>> https://bitbucket.org/zzzeek/sqlalchemy/issue/2685/default-schema-as-an-execution-argument.
>>>> 
>>>> This application is somewhat of a “multi-tenancy” application; technically 
>>>> its horizontally partitioned but if you know “society” up front and for 
>>>> the duration of an operation, you can just set that and be done with it.
>>>> 
>>>> Assuming this is the case an easy way to do this for now is just to set 
>>>> the “search path” on your postgresql connection before such an operation 
>>>> proceeds.   That way when you refer to table X or Y, it will be in terms 
>>>> of whatever search path you’ve set, see 5.7.3 at 
>>>> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.1/static/ddl-schemas.html.
>>>> 
>>>> There’s no need in that case to use any kind of explicit “horizontal 
>>>> sharding”.    Only if you need queries that are going to refer to multiple 
>>>> schemas at once does the HS feature come into play (and if that were the 
>>>> case I’d look into PG table inheritance).
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 5, 2014, at 8:41 AM, Julien Meyer <julien...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I need some help and advices to create a mapping.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The context : 
>>>>> - Multiple schemas on postgresql (dynamic number and name) who store the 
>>>>> "same" tables.
>>>>> - SQLAlchemy used into a pyramid web application.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Example :
>>>>> A table "Customer" and a table "CustomerOrder" (link by customer.id) and 
>>>>> a schema by society (not know before running)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I read the documentation about horizontal, vertical sharding and entity 
>>>>> name but I'm a little bit confused about the good solution to solve my 
>>>>> problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I use "Entity name", I don't know how to configure the relationship 
>>>>> between my two dynamic classes because I need to specify a class at 
>>>>> configuration time but i really know the real subclasses only at runtime.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I use the "Horizontal sharding", I need to have an engine / schema 
>>>>> (and use search_path). The shard configurtion will be (or seems to be)  
>>>>> tricky.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I use the "Vertical sharding", I need also an engine / schema and 
>>>>> re-configure the session several times with a new binds mapping.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I made some google search with my context but it's not an usual case and 
>>>>> i didn't find some helpful posts....
>>>>> 
>>>>> I also posed the question on stackoverflow last year but my solution 
>>>>> don't really work : 
>>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20212165/one-entity-in-multiple-schemas-how-to-switch-schema-on-runtime
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
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