I ended up settling for this:

    @hybrid_property

    def ancestors(self):

        session = inspect(self).session

        cte = session.query(P2B) \

            .filter(P2B.id == self.id) \

            .cte(name='cte', recursive=True)

        cte = cte.union(

            session.query(P2B)

            .filter(P2B.id == cte.c.parent_id)

        )

        return session.query(cte).all()

And each time I call child.ancestors, the SQL CTE RECURSIVE is issued (of 
course!?)

Thanks again for all your help Mike!

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 6:39:05 PM UTC-5, HP3 wrote:
>
> BTW, the solution of `.params(child_id=child_id)` you provided worked 
> perfectly - forgot to mentioned earlier. 
> It issued the recursive CTE I wanted.
>
> I still need to ponder if I can simply live with a plain select().cte() 
> within a vanilla method or @hybrid_property or @hybrid_method, all except 
> @hybrid_property.expression as in the latter the "caller" would need to 
> remember to bind `child_id` explicitly and forfeit the usage of `filter(
> ancs.c.id==child_id)`
>
> Thank you very much again Mike !!!!
>
> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 6:06:54 PM UTC-5, Mike Bayer wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 6:59 PM, HP3 <henddher...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> > :( 
>> > 
>> > Basically, I was trying to prevent the SQL Select for each 
>> child-to-parent 
>> > loop-iteration when navigating the tree from leaf to root because I 
>> figured 
>> > I could use CTE recursive as @hybrid_property.expression. 
>> > 
>> > I was trying to take full advantage of @hybrid_property.expression like 
>> the 
>> > examples in 
>> > 
>> http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/orm/extensions/hybrid.html#join-dependent-relationship-hybrid
>>  
>> > and 
>> > 
>> http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/orm/extensions/hybrid.html#module-sqlalchemy.ext.hybrid
>>  
>> > The examples show that self/cls is magically chosen depending on the 
>> > context. 
>> > 
>> > Seems like I will end up having *limited* functionality for my 
>> > `@hybrid_property.expression` as I would have to pass the extra param 
>> > `cls_id` explicitly. 
>> > 
>> > I was hoping that 
>> `dbsession.query(P2B.ancestors).filter(P2B.id==mychildid)` 
>> > would automagically bind 'mychildid' to `cls.id` within the 
>> > @ancestors.expression. 
>> > Perhaps such is possible some other way? 
>>
>> a hybrid is just a function to give you a component of SQL.  if you 
>> want to change the inside of it, then you need to send a parameter on 
>> the inside or do a transformation of it.  I guess you could run a 
>> transform, which is what the lazy loader does, e.g. looks for where 
>> something like "cls.id" is and then replaces it but this is very 
>> specialized, it wouldn't look any nicer from the calling point of 
>> view. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > 
>> > Another catch is that by issuing the manual CTE, the session would 
>> always 
>> > issue the SQL and never returned previously loaded ancestors. 
>> > 
>> >    root 
>> >  /       \ 
>> > c1     c2 
>> > 
>> > c1.ancestors and c2.ancestors will each issue SQL recursive CTE ... 
>> right? 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 5:33:08 PM UTC-5, Mike Bayer wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 5:14 PM, HP3 <henddher...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> >> > Thank you so much Mike 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > I am trying to write @ancestors.expression to produce a SQL like 
>> this: 
>> >> > 
>> >> > WITH RECURSIVE scte(id, parent_id) AS 
>> >> > 
>> >> > (SELECT p2bases.id AS id, p2bases.parent_id AS parent_id 
>> >> > 
>> >> > FROM p2bases 
>> >> > 
>> >> > WHERE p2bases.id = %(id_1)s --- This is the param I need at runtime 
>> >> > (cls.id) 
>> >> > 
>> >> > UNION SELECT p2bases.id AS id, p2bases.parent_id AS parent_id 
>> >> > 
>> >> > FROM p2bases, scte 
>> >> > 
>> >> > WHERE p2bases.id = scte.parent_id) 
>> >> > 
>> >> >  SELECT scte.id 
>> >> > 
>> >> > FROM scte 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> you'd have to put the parameter inside the CTE then, here's one way: 
>> >> 
>> >>     @ancestors.expression 
>> >>     def ancestors(cls): 
>> >>         cte = select([P2B.id, P2B.parent_id]) \ 
>> >>             .where(P2B.id == bindparam("cls_id")) \ 
>> >>             .cte(name='cte', recursive=True) 
>> >>         cte = cte.union( 
>> >>             select([P2B.id, P2B.parent_id]) 
>> >>             .where(P2B.id == cte.c.parent_id) 
>> >>         ) 
>> >>         return cte 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> then you do: 
>> >> 
>> >>     dbsession.query(P2B.ancestors).params(cls_id=child_id).all() 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> but note that you always need to provide params(cls_id=x) in that 
>> case. 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > Here is the @hybrid_property.expression 
>> >> > 
>> >> >     @ancestors.expression 
>> >> > 
>> >> >     def ancestors(cls): 
>> >> > 
>> >> >         cte = select([P2B.id, P2B.parent_id]) \ 
>> >> > 
>> >> >             .where(P2B.id == cls.id) \ # <<<<<<< I cannot figure 
>> out how 
>> >> > make cls.id the param 
>> >> > 
>> >> >             .cte(name='cte', recursive=True) 
>> >> > 
>> >> >         cte = cte.union( 
>> >> > 
>> >> >             select([P2B.id, P2B.parent_id]) 
>> >> > 
>> >> >             .where(P2B.id == cte.c.parent_id) 
>> >> > 
>> >> >         ) 
>> >> > 
>> >> >         return cte 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > I tried alias, aliased and bindparam in multiple ways 
>> unsuccessfully. 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > The SQL that is coming out doesn't set the first (cte anchor) WHERE 
>> >> > clause 
>> >> > with the bound param id_1 (cls.id in the @ancestors.expression). 
>> >> > Instead, is the column again? 
>> >> > 
>> >> > WITH RECURSIVE cte(id, parent_id) AS 
>> >> > 
>> >> > (SELECT p2bases.id AS id, p2bases.parent_id AS parent_id 
>> >> > 
>> >> > FROM p2bases 
>> >> > 
>> >> > WHERE p2bases.id = p2bases.id -- <<<< I can't figure out how to 
>> make 
>> >> > expr.left 'cls.id' from the @ancestors.expression 
>> >> > 
>> >> > UNION SELECT p2bases.id AS id, p2bases.parent_id AS parent_id 
>> >> > 
>> >> > FROM p2bases, cte 
>> >> > 
>> >> > WHERE p2bases.id = cte.parent_id) 
>> >> > 
>> >> >  SELECT cte.id AS cte_id, cte.parent_id AS cte_parent_id 
>> >> > 
>> >> > FROM cte 
>> >> > 
>> >> > WHERE cte.id = %(id_1)s 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > The correct SQL comes out when I do this: 
>> >> > 
>> >> >         scte = select([P2B.id, P2B.parent_id]) \ 
>> >> > 
>> >> >             .where(P2B.id == child_id) \ 
>> >> > 
>> >> >             .cte(name='scte', recursive=True) 
>> >> > 
>> >> >         scte = scte.union( 
>> >> > 
>> >> >             select([P2B.id, P2B.parent_id]).where(P2B.id == 
>> >> > scte.c.parent_id)) 
>> >> > 
>> >> >         s = select([scte.c.id]) 
>> >> > 
>> >> >         ancestors = dbsession.execute(s).fetchall() 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > But I don't know how to integrate that into my @ancestors.expression 
>> >> > 
>> >> > I want `child_id` to get the value of `cls.id` when the 
>> @hybrid_property 
>> >> > is 
>> >> > called for the class. 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 1:48:55 PM UTC-5, Mike Bayer wrote: 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> the example is huge can you point out which two queries you'd like 
>> to 
>> >> >> compare? 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> this: 
>> >> >>     cte = dbsession.query(P2B.id, P2B.parent_id) \ 
>> >> >>         .filter(P2B.id == child_id) \ 
>> >> >>         .cte(name='cte', recursive=True) 
>> >> >>     cte = cte.union( 
>> >> >>         dbsession.query(P2B.id, P2B.parent_id).filter( 
>> >> >>             P2B.id == cte.c.parent_id)) 
>> >> >>     cteids = dbsession.query(cte.c.id) 
>> >> >>     ancestors = 
>> >> >> dbsession.query(P2B).filter(P2B.id.in_(cteids)).all()[1:] 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> and this? 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>     ancestors = dbsession.query( 
>> >> >>             P2B.ancestors).filter(P2B.id == child_id).all()  # <<<< 
>> >> >> child_id IS NEVER USED IN EXPRESSION 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> it might surprise you to know I barely follow what these queries 
>> are 
>> >> >> returning for you, I just look very briefly to get the desired 
>> syntax 
>> >> >> right, so a simple "here's teh code hre's the SQL" is best 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 2:44 PM, HP3 <henddher...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> >> >> > Ahhhh!!! Makes perfect sense! 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > But there is something still amiss ... 
>> >> >> > The last 2 assertions are triggering because the query is 
>> returning a 
>> >> >> > single 
>> >> >> > ancestor (self) instead of the whole recursive list. 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > See the plain CTE and the @hybrid_property.expression CTE: The 
>> where 
>> >> >> > clauses 
>> >> >> > are still different :( 
>> >> >> > (and hence the output) 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > Are my @hybrid_property.expressions incorrectly declared? 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > CTE ---------------------------------------- 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > 2018-06-08 13:14:44,144 INFO sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine BEGIN 
>> >> >> > (implicit) 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > 2018-06-08 13:14:44,145 INFO sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine WITH 
>> >> >> > RECURSIVE 
>> >> >> > cte(id, parent_id) AS 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > (SELECT p2bases.id AS id, p2bases.parent_id AS parent_id 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > FROM p2bases 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > WHERE p2bases.id = %(id_1)s UNION SELECT p2bases.id AS 
>> p2bases_id, 
>> >> >> > p2bases.parent_id AS p2bases_parent_id 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > FROM p2bases, cte 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > WHERE p2bases.id = cte.parent_id) 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >  SELECT p2bases.id AS p2bases_id, p2bases.uuid AS p2bases_uuid, 
>> >> >> > p2bases.classname AS p2bases_classname, p2bases.position AS 
>> >> >> > p2bases_position, p2bases.extras AS p2bases_extras, p2bases.val 
>> AS 
>> >> >> > p2bases_val, p2bases.time AS p2bases_time, p2bases.parent_id AS 
>> >> >> > p2bases_parent_id 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > FROM p2bases 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > WHERE p2bases.id IN (SELECT cte.id AS cte_id 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > FROM cte) 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > 2018-06-08 13:14:44,146 INFO sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine 
>> {'id_1': 
>> >> >> > 20} 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > CTE ANCESTORS <__main__.P2Pg object at 0x10bf94be0> 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > CTE ANCESTORS <__main__.P2An object at 0x10bf9a160> 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > CTE ANCESTORS <__main__.P2KVP object at 0x10bf9a6a0> 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > @hybrid_property.expression ANCESTORS CLS 
>> >> >> > ---------------------------------------- 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > 2018-06-08 13:14:44,181 INFO sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine WITH 
>> >> >> > RECURSIVE 
>> >> >> > cte(id, parent_id) AS 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > (SELECT p2bases.id AS id, p2bases.parent_id AS parent_id 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > FROM p2bases 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > WHERE p2bases.id = p2bases.id UNION SELECT p2bases.id AS id, 
>> >> >> > p2bases.parent_id AS parent_id 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > FROM p2bases, cte 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > WHERE p2bases.id = cte.parent_id) 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >  SELECT cte.id AS cte_id, cte.parent_id AS cte_parent_id 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > FROM cte 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > WHERE cte.id = %(id_1)s 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > 2018-06-08 13:14:44,182 INFO sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine 
>> {'id_1': 
>> >> >> > 20} 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > @hybrid_property.expression ANCESTORS CLS (20, 5) 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 12:27:28 PM UTC-5, Mike Bayer wrote: 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 12:16 PM, HP3 <henddher...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote: 
>> >> >> >> > Attached the whole file 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> OK, removing all the "zope" stuff as well as all the other 
>> queries 
>> >> >> >> that aren't noted as failing, I am only looking at this query: 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >>     ancestors = dbsession.query(P2B.ancestors).filter(P2B.id == 
>> >> >> >> child_id).all()  # <<<< child_id IS NEVER USED IN EXPRESSION 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> the problem is that you are re-introducing P2B a second time, 
>> rather 
>> >> >> >> than referring to the columns that your CTE returns, it should 
>> be: 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >>     ansc = P2B.ancestors 
>> >> >> >>     ancestors = dbsession.query(ansc).filter(ansc.c.id == 
>> >> >> >> child_id).all() 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> this produces SQL that obeys the same form I see at 
>> >> >> >> https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/queries-with.html. 
>>
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> Since P2B.ancestors produces a new selectable each time, you 
>> need to 
>> >> >> >> assign it to a variable in order to refer to its set of columns 
>> >> >> >> without re-introducing it. 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 7:01:21 PM UTC-5, HP3 wrote: 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> Hello 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> Having difficulty with CTE and @hybrid_property.expression on 
>> a 
>> >> >> >> >> adjacency 
>> >> >> >> >> list model. 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> class P2B(Base): 
>> >> >> >> >>     __tablename__ = 'p2bases' 
>> >> >> >> >>     id = Column(Integer, primary_key=True) 
>> >> >> >> >>     classname = Column(String) 
>> >> >> >> >>     parent_id = Column( 
>> >> >> >> >>         Integer, 
>> >> >> >> >>         ForeignKey('p2bases.id', ondelete='CASCADE'), 
>> >> >> >> >>         index=True 
>> >> >> >> >>     ) 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >>     parent = relationship( 
>> >> >> >> >>         'P2B', 
>> >> >> >> >>         primaryjoin='P2B.parent_id == P2B.id', 
>> >> >> >> >>         foreign_keys='P2B.id', 
>> >> >> >> >>         uselist=False 
>> >> >> >> >>     ) 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >>     __mapper_args__ = { 
>> >> >> >> >>         'polymorphic_identity': 'P2B', 
>> >> >> >> >>         'polymorphic_on': classname 
>> >> >> >> >>     } 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >>     @hybrid_property 
>> >> >> >> >>     def ancestors(self): 
>> >> >> >> >>         _ancestors = [] 
>> >> >> >> >>         parent = self.parent 
>> >> >> >> >>         while parent is not None: 
>> >> >> >> >>             _ancestors.append(parent) 
>> >> >> >> >>             parent = parent.parent 
>> >> >> >> >>         return _ancestors 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >>     @ancestors.expression 
>> >> >> >> >>     def ancestors(cls): 
>> >> >> >> >>          cte = select([P2B.id, P2B.parent_id]) \ 
>> >> >> >> >>              .where(P2B.id == cls.id) \ # <<<<<< Based on 
>> >> >> >> >> Example1 
>> >> >> >> >>              .cte(name='cte', recursive=True) 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >>          cte = cte.union( 
>> >> >> >> >>              select([P2B.id, P2B.parent_id]) 
>> >> >> >> >>                  .where(P2B.id == cte.c.parent_id) 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >>          ) 
>> >> >> >> >>          return cte 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> The issue I am facing is that the SQL statement for ancestors 
>> >> >> >> >> expression 
>> >> >> >> >> becomes this 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> WITH RECURSIVE cte(id, parent_id) AS 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> (SELECT p2bases.id AS id, p2bases.parent_id AS parent_id 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> FROM p2bases 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> WHERE p2bases.id = <a href="http://p2bases.id"; 
>> target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='
>> http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fp2bases.id\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNFXb6853cCgweqpw68fbajiKFHNJg';return
>>  
>> <http://www.google.com/url?q%5Cx3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fp2bases.id%5Cx26sa%5Cx3dD%5Cx26sntz%5Cx3d1%5Cx26usg%5Cx3dAFQjCNFXb6853cCgweqpw68fbajiKFHNJg';return>
>>  
>> true;" onclick="this.href='
>> http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fp2bases.id\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQj
>>  
>> <http://www.google.com/url?q%5Cx3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fp2bases.id%5Cx26sa%5Cx3dD%5Cx26sntz%5Cx3d1%5Cx26usg%5Cx3dAFQj>
>
>

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