great, glad to know that new API is finding itself useful.

On Sun, Oct 22, 2023, at 9:32 PM, 'Tony Cosentini' via sqlalchemy wrote:
> do_orm_execute() (and freezing the results) totally allows for what I'm 
> trying to do! Also I forgot to mention earlier, but this is only going to run 
> in tests.
> 
> Thanks again for all the help,
> Tony
> 
> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 11:10:23 PM UTC+8 Mike Bayer wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023, at 10:46 AM, 'Tony Cosentini' via sqlalchemy wrote:
>>> Oh I see, thanks for clarifying.
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to detect cases where we depend on the autoflush behavior. For 
>>> example, in the sample above, when the query runs with no_autoflush, we 
>>> won't get back any results (when previously we would get back one row). 
>>> It's a fairly large codebase, so I was trying to automate finding these 
>>> cases in order to add explicit flush calls when needed or just pass in the 
>>> pending object instead of running a query.
>> 
>> 
>> there's not really an event for an object that just gets returned by a query 
>> from the identity map.    you would need to do something more drastic like a 
>> do_orm_execute() hook that runs queries internally and then looks at all the 
>> returned objects.  i wouldnt put that in production.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tony
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 10:42 PM Mike Bayer <mike_not_...@zzzcomputing.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> __
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023, at 9:50 AM, 'Tony Cosentini' via sqlalchemy wrote:
>>>>> Weird, I did try that but I can't seem to trigger it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here's a self-contained test: 
>>>>> https://gist.github.com/tonycosentini/4dee3478695d032ca67707b5e26739b6
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> the object was not affected in that query (that is, not mutated).  if you 
>>>> change the query to this:
>>>> 
>>>>      table_one_instances = 
>>>> session.query(TableOne).populate_existing().all()
>>>> 
>>>> then the refresh event is triggered.
>>>> 
>>>> Im not really following what kind of bug you are trying to detect.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have the event listener set to just crash, but it never triggers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 9:20 PM Mike Bayer 
>>>>> <mike_not_...@zzzcomputing.com> wrote:
>>>>>> __
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023, at 8:08 AM, 'Tony Cosentini' via sqlalchemy wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is there any way to listen for an event for when a query result gets 
>>>>>>> merged into a pre-existing object in the session?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> this is the refresh event:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/20/orm/events.html#sqlalchemy.orm.InstanceEvents.refresh
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm working on disabling autoflush for some of our codebase (mostly to 
>>>>>>> cut down on queries on a high QPS path), but before doing that I want 
>>>>>>> to write a utility to detect when we read data that was flushed via 
>>>>>>> autoflush to cut down on any potential bugs.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What I'd like to do is this (while autoflush is still enabled):
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> table_one = TableOne(name='test')
>>>>>>> session.add(table_one) # Track this object as pending a flush via the 
>>>>>>> before_* listeners, this is working as expected.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> table_two_instances = session.query(TableTwo).all() # All good, doesn't 
>>>>>>> do anything with the table_one instance created earlier
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> table_one_instances = session.query(TableOne).all() # I would like to 
>>>>>>> log a warning here as the results of this query depend on a flush 
>>>>>>> happening. What I'm hoping to do is detect that one of the rows coming 
>>>>>>> back is the same object that was flagged earlier, but I can't see to 
>>>>>>> find the correct event to use.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> you probably want to also use refresh_flush also, which will be invoked 
>>>>>> for column defaults that are populated on the object
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/20/orm/events.html#sqlalchemy.orm.InstanceEvents.refresh_flush
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is this possible? I can't seem to find the appropriate event that would 
>>>>>>> trigger when the results from the .all() query get merged back in with 
>>>>>>> the existing objects in the session.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> that's the refresh event
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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