On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:14 AM, Nick Stuart wrote:
> The notion that new code does not interfere with an existing code
> base is a false premise. If you don't understand the harm involved in
> increasing the size of a code base, you're not qualified to comment.
>
> Alright well if you read the rest of the thread you should have
> realized Will suggested putting this into StripesStuff, not into
> the core. I'm not one to simple add more code to anything just for
> the sake of adding code. I'm much happier removing code before I
> add some and you have no idea what qualifications I may or may not
> have to make comments. Please keep personal references/attacks out
> of this.
Out of line. My apologies. From all I've read of you you're an expert
and extremely well qualified. What's wrong with me? Sorry. Totally
classless and I'm pleased to meet you.
I suppose I've developed a deep seated fear that my new favorite
framework will go the way of Cocoon or Wicket and wanted to argue
loud and hard against performing the ritual where an open source
framework embraces, extends and extinguishes itself.
So, if it's not in the core, which upon more careful reading, I see
it is not, then I'm not feeling personally threatened by REST, but it
still strikes me as a silly exercise. The verbs buy you little.
They came in handy with WebDAV which wanted to hide the verb because
it didn't want to clutter up the URL. That's fine for WebDAV clients
and WebDAV servers. But the concept of representing state in a URL is
just that.
I don't see how this HTTP verb thing works really? Because if it's my
little web protocol that serves my little XML files the way Flickr,
Amazon WS, and Google Geocoder do, then I don't see why I can't send
a query string, and bonus if I can send only a query string and not
have to send a verb, because then I can test using my browser's
address bar.
Which means that to address the problem of providing simple access to
raw data using HTTP protocols, the verb thing makes it more
complicated. If the end goal is to create an easily documented API
that people can "mashup" then playing around with HTTP verbs means
that you've got more splanin' to do. I don't see how it's useful,
unless you want to implement a WebDAV server using Stripes, which is
about the only use for it. With WebDAV they were developing a
protocol, but if you want to attract mashups, use POST and GET.
> To date, my experience with Stripes is that the documentation talks
> about the things that I can use and want to use and do use. Stripes
> itself is free of flights of fancy. I'm using Stripes and Stripersist
> and it's a complete framework.
>
> I agree, we use stripes here mostly for what it DOESN'T do, not
> because it has the most shiny objects in it. It does what it does
> well and thats it. You think I want to turn Stripes into the next
> JSF or whatever? No thanks,
The glorious thing about Stripes is that the page at
stripesframework.org pretty much tells it all.
> My only disappointment is that I'd like to have a lot more control
> over the URLs. That's a more important component of Basic/Core/Pure
> HTTP than the strange stumpy tail or 6th finger of the HTTP verb.
>
> Well you should have that already with the more friendly URL stuff
> in 1.5, no need to concern yourself with that stumpy 6th finger if
> you don't want.
Actually, the biggest thing that Stripes could to to support REST or
rather mashable HTTP APIs (MashHAPI?) would be to work on the URL
dispatching. I was not able to do the following with the Stripes 1.5
and had to work around.
@UrlBinding("/{account}/users/{user}")
public class AccountUserActionBean
implements ActionBean
{
}
Maybe I missed something, but looking at the code, I couldn't find it
and had to roll my own work around.
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