Thank you Nikolaos. You made an important statement. I think too that we need a way to let other people get involved. Those who are holding the keys to Stripes please let us in :)))
Regards Søren Den 18/09/2010 kl. 18.09 skrev Nikolaos Giannopoulos <nikol...@brightminds.org>: > Ben, > > You have made it clear that you needed to get away from the code back in > June after having made a flurry of commits. Everyone understands and > appreciates what you have done for Stripes as you have single handedly > maintained Stripes for quite some time (I assume since its beginnings > with Tim) and have been an incredible driving force IMO. > > But the time of a single developer cobbling together code OR merely > accepting patches that are ready and tested from the community - but not > having the time to integrate them - must be over. At some point in time > we need to stand aside to see a project grow otherwise we will - and not > to be dramatic - smother it and indeed it will die... . > > There are developers like Evan, Nicolai, myself (down the road) and > others in the wings (whose names I don't have readily with me but have > voiced themselves already) that are "ready" to get involved **today** > and / or contribute their extensions that they have built for their real > world projects... and yet the lack of response to requests on how to get > involved is quite unsettling to say the least. > > Another area... 1.5.3 was released on December 16, 2009 yet a full 9 > months later it still does not appear in Maven Central. One suggested > solution was to setup a Sonatype repo for Stripes so that it > automatically syncs to Maven Central. In STS-738 back in May of this > year you said "In case you missed my note on the mailing list the other > day, I'm working on getting this going through Sonatype. I'll resolve > this issue when it's done." The fact that it isn't setup is not my > biggest concern and is not a problem as in the end you volunteer your > efforts / time. > > However since then others including Samuel Santos and Nathan Maves have > offered to help setup a Sonatype repo for Stripes - which they both have > stated they have experience doing - yet once again no reply to their > offers to help. Once again this is unsettling... . > > This thread is by no means meant to be critical of your contributions... > as they most likely overshadow everyone else's in this community for > their extent and dedication. This is meant more as a wake up call to > all those that hold the keys to Stripes. I assume that includes > yourself, Freddy and Aaron but don't know for sure... . > > In my mind 3 things need to happen for Stripes to prosper: > > 1) Getting Stripes automatically sync'd up through Sonatype will > deflect the "perception" that the project is stale i.e. 9 months since > its last release is no big deal... not having its latest release "out > there" where it can be *effortlessly consumed* *IS* IMO. > > 2) Some process needs to be setup to allow others to get into the > ground floor as contributors. This OSS at its best. There are numerous > talented people on this list alone that not letting go of the keys WILL > kill Stripes. Period. As I personally have not led any OSS projects I > am not sure what the best procedure / process to follow is nor do I know > where to start but I'm sure others can chime in on how to properly > initiate this. If this was truly difficult then OSS would not exist. > This is *CRITICAL*. > > 3) All the other good initiatives that have been started need to > continue like setting up a new web site, a better place for forums > (mailing lists are wonderful but people search the web more often than > mailing lists for quick answers), deciding on how to partition > extensions, stacks, etc... (of course there is debate here), etc... > > But if 1) and 2) don't happen then yes not to sound dramatic Stripes > will surely die... not b/c it isn't a great product... but b/c people > like myself and others in the community will feel that they are beating > a dead horse in trying to get involved... and will simply give up and > look elsewhere. If you alienate those that the "early adopters" / > "sneezers" then 3) won't matter at all. > > Ben, Freddy and / or Aaron... its time to step up to the plate... to if > anything hand over the keys and take on a reviewer / advisor role in the > future of this wonderful framework. > > Regards, > > --Nikolaos > > > Evan Leonard wrote: >> Nicolai, >> >> Absolutely. This is a must. I am starting to use Stripes for a project and >> want to participate in the community. However, its not clear how to do so! >> >> Is it clear in the community how decisions are made about these things? Are >> there certain "core" developers with some level of authority? Forgive me as >> I'm just coming up to speed. >> >> Evan > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances > and start using them to simplify application deployment and > accelerate your shift to cloud computing. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Stripes-users mailing list > Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances and start using them to simplify application deployment and accelerate your shift to cloud computing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev _______________________________________________ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
