David
From: Joseph Ottinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Struts Developers List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hello, all.
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:45:14 -0500 (EST)
Then enlighten me? I wouldn't have joined the list at all if I hadn't been
interested in learning more. Dave had a substantive point, one I responded
to. Where I erred once, I'm sure I can err again; I'm trying to prevent
that if I can.
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, micael wrote:
> Joseph, you are making a fool out of yourself. You seem to have no idea
> how little you know.
>
> At 11:08 AM 12/9/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, David Graham wrote:
> >
> > > Joseph,
> > > I noticed you quoted me on your site but you left out the important point
> > > that Struts has never and will never dictate a model or view layer
> > > technology. Struts gives you total freedom because at its core it's simply
> > > an action controller. The taglibs will be replaced by standards like JSTL
> > > and JSF.
> >
> >Actually, I did note those things, while my definition of a "model"
> >differs slightly from yours. I made a point out of mentioning in my
> >introductory email here that I retracted one of my criticisms, centered
> >around your point.
> >
> > > I had never heard of your site before someone posted it on this list and I
> > > don't intend to visit it often. Struts does not need a defense on your
> > > site. *You* need to actually build a meaningful app using Struts and then
> > > make a judgement. The only "defense" of Struts I'll offer is this:
> > > Thousands of successful web applications have been produced quickly and
> > > cheaply using Struts. Struts is the most popular Java web MVC
> > framework for
> > > a reason. I suggest you find out why.
> >
> >Lots of points here!
> >
> >For one thing, it's okay - my site has no banners, no sponsors begging for
> >extra traffic. Whether you visit often or not, well, hey - that's up to
> >you. As far as using struts: I've deployed struts apps, "meaningful" ones.
> >I've found other frameworks to be more appropriate for more situations.
> >"Most popular" is fairly well beyond doubt, and I've never claimed
> >otherwise (nor would I)... but then again, Windows is the "most popular"
> >OS, and that doesn't mean it's the best solution.
> >
> > > I frankly don't care if some people don't like Struts; that's a matter of
> > > personal preference. I do care when it is misrepresented with ignorant
> > > statements.
> >
> >Indeed! I agree with this; as I've stated, my goal was to explain a
> >viewpoint that was asked about. I joined this list so that I could
> >determine what actually *IS* incorrect and fix that.
> >
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http://enigmastation.com IT Consultant
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