In order to stick my head out so it can be cut off...
Well I think that Struts rocks first off... But when you compare it to a framework like: http://barracuda.enhydra.org/ http://barracuda.enhydra.org/cvs_source/Barracuda/docs/what_the_heck_is_barr acuda.html It seems clear to me that struts is not as elegant. Struts does not as clearly seperate M-V-C. Struts lacks a component model that Barracuda cleanly identifies. And I think this is fine. I wouldn't want to introduce Barracuda to alot of developer's because it is more complex. Struts is a simple way of achieving the same goal and pragmatism is one of the values I prize most in this profession. -Daniel -----Original Message----- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hello, all. You'll want to join the struts-user list to learn more about Struts and get help with any questions you might have. The struts-dev list is used by developers to discuss bugs, enhancements, and general topics concerning the framework's development. David >From: Joseph Ottinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Struts Developers List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Hello, all. >Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:45:14 -0500 (EST) > >Then enlighten me? I wouldn't have joined the list at all if I hadn't been >interested in learning more. Dave had a substantive point, one I responded >to. Where I erred once, I'm sure I can err again; I'm trying to prevent >that if I can. > >On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, micael wrote: > > > Joseph, you are making a fool out of yourself. You seem to have no idea > > how little you know. > > > > At 11:08 AM 12/9/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, David Graham wrote: > > > > > > > Joseph, > > > > I noticed you quoted me on your site but you left out the important >point > > > > that Struts has never and will never dictate a model or view layer > > > > technology. Struts gives you total freedom because at its core it's >simply > > > > an action controller. The taglibs will be replaced by standards >like JSTL > > > > and JSF. > > > > > >Actually, I did note those things, while my definition of a "model" > > >differs slightly from yours. I made a point out of mentioning in my > > >introductory email here that I retracted one of my criticisms, centered > > >around your point. > > > > > > > I had never heard of your site before someone posted it on this list >and I > > > > don't intend to visit it often. Struts does not need a defense on >your > > > > site. *You* need to actually build a meaningful app using Struts >and then > > > > make a judgement. The only "defense" of Struts I'll offer is this: > > > > Thousands of successful web applications have been produced quickly >and > > > > cheaply using Struts. Struts is the most popular Java web MVC > > > framework for > > > > a reason. I suggest you find out why. > > > > > >Lots of points here! > > > > > >For one thing, it's okay - my site has no banners, no sponsors begging >for > > >extra traffic. Whether you visit often or not, well, hey - that's up to > > >you. As far as using struts: I've deployed struts apps, "meaningful" >ones. > > >I've found other frameworks to be more appropriate for more situations. > > >"Most popular" is fairly well beyond doubt, and I've never claimed > > >otherwise (nor would I)... but then again, Windows is the "most >popular" > > >OS, and that doesn't mean it's the best solution. > > > > > > > I frankly don't care if some people don't like Struts; that's a >matter of > > > > personal preference. I do care when it is misrepresented with >ignorant > > > > statements. > > > > > >Indeed! I agree with this; as I've stated, my goal was to explain a > > >viewpoint that was asked about. I joined this list so that I could > > >determine what actually *IS* incorrect and fix that. > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------- >Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://enigmastation.com IT Consultant > >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >For additional commands, e-mail: ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
