LOL :-) Gotta love that Parthian shot... I agree it's pointless going on, so we should agree to disagree. However, I'd like to point out that the web sites I referred to in my previous post do not necessarily reflect my point of view - and indeed they are probably contradictory to each other. I felt they were relevant to the debate, though.
Anyway, 'nuff distractions, back to the real work... Regards Colin M Sharples I/T Architect IBM Global Services New Zealand email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 64-4-5769853 mobile: 64-21-402085 fax: 64-4-5765616 Arron Bates <arron@keyboardm To: Struts Developers List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> onkey.com> cc: Subject: Re: Freetext attribute for all tags... 13/12/2001 13:03 Please respond to "Struts Developers List" (I do apologise for this post. It should stop. But for some reason I just can't handle misrepresentation of trying to get markup to work in the largest amount of browsers possible (both those inside and outside the spec). So, if you don't want to hear a rant in reply to a rant, read another email...) Actually Colin, Both your points are misplaced, and you're trying to become a champion of "correctness" and I find it arrogant and ignorant that you're trying to publish that the need to create a page that works on *more* browsers is "incorrect". As for your points... 1) I don't discriminate. In fact... this is all about going the extra step to make sure I *don't* discriminate. And that includes older browsers. You're talking in terms of *only* using non-standard attributes, where in reality they're actually used along side. If a browser doesn't support them, their presence doesn't effect them. So "marginwidth" works great in IE & NS6, but NS4 will ignore it. I use also "leftmargin" & "rightmargin" in the same tag and NS4 will use them and IE & NS6 will ignore them. Result, a page that works in all 4+ browsers, and discriminates nobody. 2) It's not about being "browser-specific". As above, it's about including specific attributes amongst standard ones. Not "just using the specific ones". So considering all this... the pages I markup work on more browsers than the ones you do, because I'm not bound by the spec. This means... I have a potentially larger user base. Take this little piece of information to a potential client/employer... What's reality?... I am so over this conversation. Arron. * Does a bandwagon go faster if it's painted red?... Colin Sharples wrote: >One last comment on this - have a look at the following sites: > >http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/ > >http://www.webstandards.org/upgrade/ > >which present two other sides to the story: > >1) by using browser-specific code you actively discriminate against those >who have no option but to use something other than NS or IE (e.g. blind >people who need a text-based browser). > >2) the recent versions of most browsers, including the big 2, support all >the relevant standards anyway, so there's simply no need to be >browser-specific. > >That's reality for ya... > >Regards > >Colin M Sharples >I/T Architect >IBM Global Services New Zealand > >email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >phone: 64-4-5769853 >mobile: 64-21-402085 >fax: 64-4-5765616 > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>