Then enlighten me? I wouldn't have joined the list at all if I hadn't been interested in learning more. Dave had a substantive point, one I responded to. Where I erred once, I'm sure I can err again; I'm trying to prevent that if I can.
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, micael wrote: > Joseph, you are making a fool out of yourself. You seem to have no idea > how little you know. > > At 11:08 AM 12/9/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, David Graham wrote: > > > > > Joseph, > > > I noticed you quoted me on your site but you left out the important point > > > that Struts has never and will never dictate a model or view layer > > > technology. Struts gives you total freedom because at its core it's simply > > > an action controller. The taglibs will be replaced by standards like JSTL > > > and JSF. > > > >Actually, I did note those things, while my definition of a "model" > >differs slightly from yours. I made a point out of mentioning in my > >introductory email here that I retracted one of my criticisms, centered > >around your point. > > > > > I had never heard of your site before someone posted it on this list and I > > > don't intend to visit it often. Struts does not need a defense on your > > > site. *You* need to actually build a meaningful app using Struts and then > > > make a judgement. The only "defense" of Struts I'll offer is this: > > > Thousands of successful web applications have been produced quickly and > > > cheaply using Struts. Struts is the most popular Java web MVC > > framework for > > > a reason. I suggest you find out why. > > > >Lots of points here! > > > >For one thing, it's okay - my site has no banners, no sponsors begging for > >extra traffic. Whether you visit often or not, well, hey - that's up to > >you. As far as using struts: I've deployed struts apps, "meaningful" ones. > >I've found other frameworks to be more appropriate for more situations. > >"Most popular" is fairly well beyond doubt, and I've never claimed > >otherwise (nor would I)... but then again, Windows is the "most popular" > >OS, and that doesn't mean it's the best solution. > > > > > I frankly don't care if some people don't like Struts; that's a matter of > > > personal preference. I do care when it is misrepresented with ignorant > > > statements. > > > >Indeed! I agree with this; as I've stated, my goal was to explain a > >viewpoint that was asked about. I joined this list so that I could > >determine what actually *IS* incorrect and fix that. > > --------------------------------------------------------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://enigmastation.com IT Consultant -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
