Interesting.... This doesn't compute for me. Should we Expresso NOT use Struts or any other Apache project because it is outside of our quality control? No of course not, because we know the collaborative comunity process is such that if we had an issue it would be addressed either by us contributing the fix or the core developers. The point of the matter is there is no mechanism within Apache to use third party open source tools.
This is disheartening! By appearances Apache is interested in only code contributed to its Intellectual Property and will not support third party projects. What is more dishearterning to me is this: Considering that in March 2002 Apache was requesting an open and fair licensing scheme from Sun for developing Java standards.... isn't this hypocritical? Basically Apache is asking Sun to use third party "open source" projects in Java when Apache itself won't integrate other third party open source projects!!! I would like to propose that Apache should consider its own words and apply them to its own organization and also support third party open source projects that are worthy and are offered under an Apache Style or BSD license. Expresso has more than twice the community listserv size of Struts and has earned its recognition as a solid framework. Respectfully and disappointed -- Sandra Cann COO http://www.jcorporate.com Open Standards based Java components "Our separation from each other is an optical illusion of consciousness." (Albert Einstein) > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 4:49 PM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: RE: Struts Connection Pool Maturity - Ted - you out there? > > > In the particular case of the Espresso connection pool, I didn't know > about it at the time. In the particular case of Poolman, it has (well, > now it is really "had") a single developer instead of a community, and an > LGPL license to boot. (Talk to RMS about why he says the Apache license > is evil -- I'm not interested in getting involved in that discussion.) > > Feel free to integrate Struts into anything you like -- that is the > fundamental value proposition of the Apache License. For the stuff > packaged *inside* Struts, I'm personally more comfortable with Apache > based code, where I know the other developers and the support culture > around it. > > For outside code, given license compatibility and a willingness of others > to support it (to *my* quality standards, since Struts is pretty closely > associated with *my* name :-), I'm OK with it, but I'd usually rather just > leave it out and let others provide integrated packages. (FWIW, in > Struts 1.1 the GenericDataSource class is a wrapper around the > commons-dbcp > connection pool, which is also going to be used in Tomcat 4.1). > > Craig > > > On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Sandra Cann wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:04:33 -0400 > > From: Sandra Cann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: RE: Struts Connection Pool Maturity - Ted - you out there? > > > > snip > > > I've been using Poolman just fine, but would like to switch to > > > the struts pool if it is at a maturity-level that would make that > > > possible. > > > > Perhaps I misunderstanding something here? I would like to ask > why Struts > > didn't just incorporate Poolman or Expresso's Connection > pooling instead of > > developing another? > > > > i.e. Expresso's has been around since '96 and is certainly > stable! It's an > > Apache Style license so the code is certainly open source > compatible with > > Struts Apache license. > > > > This brings up for me a larger question I am not clear on.... > > > > What is Struts view on building on/integrating/contributing > with third party > > open source projects and not reinventing wheels? > > > > With the shoe on the other foot we support other open source projects > > (including several Apache projects) by building on them and thus have an > > area in Expresso's CVS for third party libraries which is where Struts > > resides. This benefits the open source movement by making > projects stronger > > and increasing mindshare and strengthening their acceptance as open > > standards. I'm sure you'll agree the Expresso community has > contributed in > > positive ways to the Struts code and community. > > > > I look forward to hearing back. > > > > -- > > Sandra Cann > > http://www.jcorporate.com > > Open Standards based Java components > > > > "Our separation from each other is an optical illusion of > consciousness." > > (Albert Einstein) > > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
