On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:55:14 -0400
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: keeping the old debate open...
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> I cant get more than 15 bugs to be displayed and half of those are
> enhancements...
> On the summary page I can see a bunch, but under a query forget it!
>
As you might imagine :-), I have a saved query on Bugzilla to select
Struts bug reports. As of a few seconds ago, it finds 92 of them (many
enhancements, many bugs against 1.0.x, and a few outstanding against 1.1).
The search criteria I use:
- Status = UNCONFIRMED, NEW, ASSIGNED, REOPENED
- Program = Struts
For reference, our bug tracking system (for all Jakarta and Xml.apache.org
projects) is at:
http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/
Craig
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin.Bedell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:18 AM
> To: struts-user
> Subject: Re: keeping the old debate open...
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>
> > just a question about how open-source projects are managed at
> > apache's : how do you know you run out of bugs to fix ? what's the way
> the
> > projects are tested ? thanks, since my boss wonders about open-source
> and
> > fears it a bit...
>
> One of fundamental advantages of Open Source is that finding bugs
> generally
> occurs much faster. Plus, as a user you have direct access to the bug
> tracking system (bugzilla, in this case at
> http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/ ).
>
> There are currently 90 open bugs for Struts. How do I know this? I just
> looked - it's on-line for everyone to see. If you find a bug, you can
> add
> one yourself and someone with appropriate rights in bugzilla will have
> to
> address it before it dissapears - it's an extremely 'open book' approach
> that no vendor would dream of giving you. I've worked for software
> companies and we would NEVER have opened our bug lists - our competitors
> would have printed them out and used them against us in sales calls.
>
> Eric Raymond, in his essay "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" says that
> ``Given
> enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow.'' And, "at least, that they turn
> shallow pretty quickly when exposed to a thousand eager co-developers
> pounding on every single new release".
>
> This is why Linux is more stable than NT and Apache dominates the web
> server market - it's not because it's free, it's because it's BETTER and
> FREER of BUGS. If I were your boss, I'd worry more about the quality of
> commercial software than I would about open source.
>
>
> If your manager is concerned about using Open Source becuase of software
> quality, then get them a copy of Eric's book: The Cathedral and the
> Bazaar
> - it's a very short and easy read.
>
>
> The Cathedral and the Bazaar is available at either:
>
> on-line free: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/
>
> - or -
>
> from Amazon:
>
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596001088/qid=1026397260/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-4271210-7048648
>
>
> The discussion about Open Source projects and debugging is at:
>
>
> http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/x147.html
>
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Kevin
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