> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> I do not believe there will ever be such a thing as a "generic"
> application security solution that meets a large majority of people's
> needs.  The problem is that the needs (well, at least their 
> wants :-) vary
> too much, so any given "application security solution" is 
> going to have
> its own design limits that people are going to run into.

A nice middle ground that would not require boiling the ocean would be a
simple interface that allows callers to add, update and remove users and
roles.  I find that the only thing I usually need above and beyond the
current container-managed security API is the ability to create new users
and roles.  Every container I've worked with has the ability to make these
calls with their own APIs--all the concepts and logical objects are the
same--but the implementations basically suffer from name incompatibilities.

Cheers,
Laird

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