> I don't think management of a development staff was a goal 
> of J2EE :o)
> 
> It is separation of process and/or skill sets that Struts/MVC 
> provides for. Whether this happens or not is up to people,
> not software... yes?

Indeed the seperation of the tasks in your project is up to 
the people involved, but I do believe it was a goal of the 
J2EE architecture to _help_ split these up. Where people who 
understand database access write your EJBs. Those who understand the business 
processes are writing the Session beans that contain 
business logic, and those that understand the user interactions
are writing the JSPs.

>From my point of view you can try to assign people with 
particular parts of a project, but then managment will require
things to be done now and a front end JSP programmer is suddenly
coding database access. I've seen it. 10 odbc (yes odbc)
connections from the index jsp. It was a nightmare! didn't 
even provide any useful information.
 
> The method you refer to in your last paragraph is quite 
> common and works quite well. 

I've seen this a number of times now. It has worked very well 
for me too. We have often used a junior programmer here as a 
way for them to get into a project and understand more of what
we are trying to achieve over all.

> If someone can do all of the tasks in a large Struts project,
> they are highly skilled, very experienced and are probably
> compensated quite well.
 
I don't know about highly skilled, but I do end up having a hand
in all the tasks in our current project. I definataly know I'm
not compensated well for it though!

> Struts taglibs, like most all taglibs, are converted in the
> servlet and HTML equivalents are "emitted" as the browser
> only understands HTML. Perhaps this is the piece that 
> designers/web developers struggle with.
> 
> FWIW, graphic design and Java development generally use 
> different parts of the human brain. It isn't to say they
> are mutually exclusive, just that it is difficult to switch
> back and forth between these skills.

I'll use that next time someone complains about my nice plain
white pages with a table in the middle ;)

> Brian

Cheers
IV
 
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> 
> >
> > Haha!
> >
> > This whole idea of J2EE where we have seperation of roles hasn't quite
> happened has it. The idea that there are business process programmers,
> database programmers, front end guys etc. In the end it's always the same
> person fulfilling all the roles.
> >
> > On the projects that I have been on in the past Graphic designers have
> been comissioned to make up the pages, which are done statically. Then the
> programmers have gone through the pains of making these pages dynamic.
> >
> > Regards
> > IV
> 
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