I'm a graphic designer. I use struts. I don't have a problem with tags. I cut the code for scriptlets. I don't understand what the big whoop is - it's not quantum mechanics. Here's what I do:
Step 1 - Design UI. This is not done using Dreamweaver or anything, because we're talking about the design, not the implementation. Step 2 - Template for design is implemented as HTML. I hand-code because I'm insane, but a designer could happily use Dreamweaver or such crap here. Step 3 - HTML is cut into individual common elements (banner, menu, body, screen heading, action buttons). Master template JSPs are created. I use tiles for this but you could use whatever you like. Step 4 - The graphic design work is complete. The tiles and css styles control every graphic element. JSPs for the page body can now be create by any shmo. It's just like playing with lego. People responsible for JSP don't need to be HTML gurus OR Java gurus. If a tile ends up being used a lot, and is reusable across applications, we write a custom tag for it. The beautiful thig about this is the actual graphic design work can be done at any time during the course of development. We had a project last year where the client made us change it completely four times! Round here we have a dedicated UI guy (me) and about ten programmers, some who like to make their own screens, some who wait for me to do it, some who do a bit and then get me to finish it off. Once a project is well under way I often get relegated to a "design police" sort of role, where I review the application and TWEAK the few places where the design hasn't been implemented properly. Peace Todd Pierce -----Original Message----- From: micael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 5:04 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Struts: a Graphic Artist blessing or curse? The answer is below. That is really it. Let them build the GUI, then you massage it. That is the easiest way to go about things. If someone has something better, I don't know it. This way of doing things is pretty easy. The backend guy does not have to know the details of the gui, and vice versa. At 06:06 AM 11/25/2002 -0800, you wrote: >C'mon guys. I've seen many great Struts website look & feel (Definitelly >generated by a graphic artist tool). I'm sure someone here has got some >good experience to share? > >On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:49:14 +0000 (GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > > > Haha! > > > > This whole idea of J2EE where we have seperation of roles hasn't quite > > happened has it. The idea that there are business process programmers, > > database programmers, front end guys etc. In the end it's always the same > > person fulfilling all the roles. > > > > On the projects that I have been on in the past Graphic designers have > > been comissioned to make up the pages, which are done statically. Then > > the programmers have gone through the pains of making these pages > > dynamic. > > > > Regards > > IV > > > > > > > > > from: Foong Tzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:31:26 > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > subject: Re: Struts: a Graphic Artist blessing or curse? > > > > > > Dear Struts supporter, > > > > > > There seems to be a real world problem with using Struts (well, not > > > really Struts, but JSP Tag Libraries). It seems despite zero java coding > > > on the JSP pages, those 'funny' tags are still not digest-able by average > > > graphic designers. I mean, if they were to use Macromedia DreamWeaver, it > > > would not've rendered the look and feel if the tags were something like > > > this: - > > > > > > <html:img page="/nice.gif" altKey="Nice"/> > > > > > > <html:html locale="true"> </html:html> > > > > > > <html:link page="/another.jsp"><bean:message > > > key="another.title"/></html:link> > > > > > > > > > As opposed to the native standard HTML tags? > > > > > > I'm really not sure whether Macromedia or any other popular graphic > > > artiste tool would render these Struts JSP pages properly. Anybody here > > > has any experience solving this real world problem? > > > > > > Thanks. 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