> ... trudge that twenty miles so as to send a > telegram to Craig...
Stop lying. I know for a fact you were using smoke signals!! -- James Mitchell Software Engineer/Open Source Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:33 PM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: [FRIDAY] RE: Struts Productivity Survey > > > Why son, back in my day I remember havin ta trudge twenty > miles through the > snow just to get my hands on one of them struts 1.02 source > files cos we > didnt have no documentation back then! > > Nope. None of that fancy (e)book learning for us son! Werent no struts > classes we cud take either - an I means that in both senses > as we didnt have > class files like as ye hev now - we had to execute the code > ourselves. None > of them jvm things was invented yet. > > A'cos, once ye got yerself a source file, yer'd hev ta thaw > it out afore ye > cud read it. We didnt hev no fancy ant tasks for that back > then. Nosiree - > yed hev to use real fire and heat it real careful like, then > ye cud load it > into yer steam powered beta version of vi and work out just what that > critter was up to. > > A'cos there werent no sruts list back then neither. Why - if > we had us a > question bout some source file - well we'd just hev ta trudge > that twenty > miles so as to send a telegram to Craig, and then we'd have > to wait us a > whole week and trudge us another twenty miles to get the reply. > > Mind you son - some things was better back then too. We din't hev no > internet so's we din't need ta worry ourselves about writin' > any of them > fancy newfangled jayespees or html forms, and since we didnt > hav ta do them, > why them thar action classes seemed a lot easier to do too... > Nows that I > come to think of it, we spent pretty darn well most of our > development time > out in the snow - if we weren't cartin round frozen source > code files then > we was cuttin wood to thaw them out or to burn in the boiler > so as we cud > use vi to read em - did I mention as how it was steam powered > back then?... > > ...hang on. This was like a few months ago and I live in the > tropics. Hmm. > Nevermind. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Reumann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, 10 January 2003 14:58 > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Re: Struts Productivity Survey > > > The problem with this survey is that the results you would > get would not > be accurate for assessing the time it would take new > developers to catch > on to using Struts at the present time. There is now a lot more > documentation and examples out there to learn from than there was just > six months ago. My biggest frustration in the beginning was > the lack of > examples and cohesive documentation of how all the different > pieces fit > together. Most of the learning took place by digging into the examples > that come with struts and those on Ted's site and then asking > questions. > Now, however, there are several great books out there( Chucks, Ted's, > etc.) and had I had them when I first started life would have > been much > easier. I think it's really going be difficult to get an accurate feel > for how long it takes people to get 'up to speed' with struts since I > think it's much easier now for new developers to learn struts > simply due > to the books and better documentation available. > > On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 21:20:00 -0600 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I am conducting an informal survey to determine how difficult it is > > for new developers with differing skills becomve productive with > > Struts. This really only applies to those using 1.1x. > Anyone who is > > willing, please answer the following questions: > > > > 1. How long did it take you to get the Struts Framework up and > > running for the first time? 2. How long did it take you to get your > > first business component going in the Struts Framework > (this involves > > Action class, page, business objects, etc. from start to > completion.) > > 3. Would you describe your Software Development experience as a) > > novice, b) advanced, or c) expert? 4. Would you describe your Java > > competencies as a) novice, b) advanced, or c) expert? 5. Would you > > describe your J2EE/servlet/JSP competencies as a) novice, > b) advanced, > > or c) expert? 6. What was the hardest part about learning > Struts for > > you? > > > > Thanks. If the response is interesting I'll compile it and post it > > back to the list. Greg > > > -- > Rick > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:struts-user-> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For > additional commands, > e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
