On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Andrew Hill wrote:
> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:48:42 +0800 > From: Andrew Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [FRIDAY] RE: Struts Productivity Survey > > True, but at the interface layer they were still telegrams, it was just that > we used smoke signals in the implementation layer sometimes... > We actually had to fight over whether the messages would be smoke signals (interfaces) or paper airplanes (base classes). The latter won :-). Craig > -----Original Message----- > From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, 10 January 2003 12:38 > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [FRIDAY] RE: Struts Productivity Survey > > > > ... trudge that twenty miles so as to send a > > telegram to Craig... > > Stop lying. I know for a fact you were using smoke signals!! > > > -- > James Mitchell > Software Engineer/Open Source Evangelist > http://www.open-tools.org > > "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but > when you do, it blows away your whole leg." > - Bjarne Stroustrup > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:33 PM > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > Subject: [FRIDAY] RE: Struts Productivity Survey > > > > > > Why son, back in my day I remember havin ta trudge twenty > > miles through the > > snow just to get my hands on one of them struts 1.02 source > > files cos we > > didnt have no documentation back then! > > > > Nope. None of that fancy (e)book learning for us son! Werent no struts > > classes we cud take either - an I means that in both senses > > as we didnt have > > class files like as ye hev now - we had to execute the code > > ourselves. None > > of them jvm things was invented yet. > > > > A'cos, once ye got yerself a source file, yer'd hev ta thaw > > it out afore ye > > cud read it. We didnt hev no fancy ant tasks for that back > > then. Nosiree - > > yed hev to use real fire and heat it real careful like, then > > ye cud load it > > into yer steam powered beta version of vi and work out just what that > > critter was up to. > > > > A'cos there werent no sruts list back then neither. Why - if > > we had us a > > question bout some source file - well we'd just hev ta trudge > > that twenty > > miles so as to send a telegram to Craig, and then we'd have > > to wait us a > > whole week and trudge us another twenty miles to get the reply. > > > > Mind you son - some things was better back then too. We din't hev no > > internet so's we din't need ta worry ourselves about writin' > > any of them > > fancy newfangled jayespees or html forms, and since we didnt > > hav ta do them, > > why them thar action classes seemed a lot easier to do too... > > Nows that I > > come to think of it, we spent pretty darn well most of our > > development time > > out in the snow - if we weren't cartin round frozen source > > code files then > > we was cuttin wood to thaw them out or to burn in the boiler > > so as we cud > > use vi to read em - did I mention as how it was steam powered > > back then?... > > > > ...hang on. This was like a few months ago and I live in the > > tropics. Hmm. > > Nevermind. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rick Reumann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, 10 January 2003 14:58 > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > Subject: Re: Struts Productivity Survey > > > > > > The problem with this survey is that the results you would > > get would not > > be accurate for assessing the time it would take new > > developers to catch > > on to using Struts at the present time. There is now a lot more > > documentation and examples out there to learn from than there was just > > six months ago. My biggest frustration in the beginning was > > the lack of > > examples and cohesive documentation of how all the different > > pieces fit > > together. Most of the learning took place by digging into the examples > > that come with struts and those on Ted's site and then asking > > questions. > > Now, however, there are several great books out there( Chucks, Ted's, > > etc.) and had I had them when I first started life would have > > been much > > easier. I think it's really going be difficult to get an accurate feel > > for how long it takes people to get 'up to speed' with struts since I > > think it's much easier now for new developers to learn struts > > simply due > > to the books and better documentation available. > > > > On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 21:20:00 -0600 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I am conducting an informal survey to determine how difficult it is > > > for new developers with differing skills becomve productive with > > > Struts. This really only applies to those using 1.1x. > > Anyone who is > > > willing, please answer the following questions: > > > > > > 1. How long did it take you to get the Struts Framework up and > > > running for the first time? 2. How long did it take you to get your > > > first business component going in the Struts Framework > > (this involves > > > Action class, page, business objects, etc. from start to > > completion.) > > > 3. Would you describe your Software Development experience as a) > > > novice, b) advanced, or c) expert? 4. Would you describe your Java > > > competencies as a) novice, b) advanced, or c) expert? 5. Would you > > > describe your J2EE/servlet/JSP competencies as a) novice, > > b) advanced, > > > or c) expert? 6. What was the hardest part about learning > > Struts for > > > you? > > > > > > Thanks. If the response is interesting I'll compile it and post it > > > back to the list. 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