I think you can do the "kid in a candy store" thing with Struts all too easily. As with any project, make sure you set your goals in a design doc, just because struts can do it, doesn't mean you should do it.
I had a project hit a wall because my boss kept asking if I could do this and that, "yeah, struts can allow me to do that..." "Okay, why don't we add that then..." -Jacob | -----Original Message----- | From: Navjot Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:51 PM | To: Struts Users List | Subject: Re: Do Struts increase developer productivity? | | here are my 2 cents to this discussion ;-) | | Initially, the development with struts can be slow. I won't say Struts is | complex, it is easy but to create a simple form submission you got to have | quite a number of files in set up. But slowly the things get sunk into | your | mind and then it's real fast process. | However, the speed can be increased with tools like Easystruts and IDEs | giving extensive support to Struts. | | - navjot singh | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Igor Shabalov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 4:26 AM | Subject: Re: Do Struts increase developer productivity? | | | > | > I 100% agree, Struts is good staff for use by the end of the day, but it | > can slow development process. So, can we do something to reduce that | > “backslash”? My answer is – yes, by introducing tools that helps | developers | > to “fight” with Struts complexity. Can Struts be better from functional | > prospective? Of course yes, however, it can increase complexity even | more, | > so we see more demand for good tools. | > | > Once again, I do not to offend anybody. | > | > Thank you for answer, | > Igor. | > | > On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:30:20 -0500, Mark Zeltser | > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > | > > Plus all QA work each of us does by testing struts in different | > > environments. | > > | > > Igor, | > > | > > In our experience, struts will decrease initial productivity due to | the | > > learning | > > curve. However, this will be time well spent, assuming you will be | > > getting | > > maintainable application, plus struts is widely used, so there is a | good | > > chance you | > > will be able to find talent if needed. | > > | > > Re. individual components. Start with well defined directory structure | > > for your | > > source, images, etc. and ant based build script. Keep adding | > > functionality as you | > > feel that there is a need for it. (E.g.: need to authenticate users. | > > Before | > > implementing your own authentication search the archives, you will | find | > > that a lot | > > of problems were already discussed and solved) | > > | > > Mark. | > > | > > David Graham wrote: | > > | > >> I don't have real numbers but thousands of hours of work from many | > >> highly | > >> paid software engineers has gone into Struts. Say an average | developer | > >> gets | > >> $50/hour * 2000 hours (probably low) = $100,000. | > >> | > >> Does your company or your clients want to pay that much to develop | their | > >> own | > >> framework? | > >> | > >> David | > >> | > >> >From: Igor Shabalov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > >> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <struts- | [EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > >> >Subject: Do Struts increase developer productivity? | > >> >Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:00:00 -0800 | > >> > | > >> > | > >> > Hello, all! | > >> > Do anybody have any data how using Struts can increase (or | > >> decrease) | > >> >developer productivity. I mean, for example, â??using Strutsâ?? can | > >> save up | > >> >to xx% of development cost. Or save up to xx% of development effort | (in | > >> >terms of number of lines of code) etc. | > >> > And, if Struts really help, what portion of struts technolody | > >> helps more | > >> >â?? tag libraries, controller with actions, tiles or anything else. | > >> I | > >> >understand that depends too much from specific project â?? but I | need | > >> just | > >> >raff estimations (or wild speculations) | > >> > | > >> > Thank at advance, | > >> > Igor. | > >> > | > >> > | > >> >-- | > >> >Igor Shabalov | > >> >Director of Engineering | > >> >Exadel Inc. | > >> >http://www.exadel.com | > >> > | > >> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- | - | > >> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > >> >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > >> > | > >> | > >> _________________________________________________________________ | > >> MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* | > >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus | > >> | > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- | > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > > | > > -- | > > NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. | Sender | > > does not | > > waive confidentiality or privilege, and use is prohibited. | > > | > > | > > | > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- | > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > > | > > | > | > | > | > -- | > Igor Shabalov | > Director of Engineering | > Exadel Inc. | > http://www.exadel.com | > | > --------------------------------------------------------------------- | > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | > | | | --------------------------------------------------------------------- | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
