I'm guessing you already have code to solve these problems... Another advantage is that you can hire a struts coder/expert...
There is miles of readable framework code that is easily extendable and built (from my point of view) by coders better than myself. Something else to keep in mind. sandeep --- Ranko Bijelonic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes Struts does definitely solve many problems and > make it easier. But is > seems that it solves a lot of problems that are > already solved. I'm looking > for the reasons why this would not be the case. > Thanks for the help, > > ranko > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandeep Takhar > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 11:21 AM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of > a servlet > container? > > > I guess the main difference between what you mention > and struts is that you can use this stuff right away > for the app you want to build without modification. > > As long as you understand the concepts you can apply > them. Similar to how you understand a > servlet/filter > spec. Now you have common problems solved. > > You don't have to code them or copy and paste from > somewhere. > > You also have the ability to auto-populate to lists > which is pretty neat. > > sandeep > --- Ranko Bijelonic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > there's a lot of stuff it gives you out of the > > box. > > > > > 1. solid code > > so does the container i guess. > > > > >2. validation framework > > This is one of those changes that could be added > by > > way of utility classes. > > Have that Filter that autopopulates, check for > > correct types like Struts. > > > > >3. tile framework > > You can use it without Struts > > > > > 4. auto-population framework > > It should be easy to add a Filter that > autopopulates > > a configured form (not > > every time but as a standard). > > > > > 5. role based actions > > I'm not sure what this is. > > > > >6. xml configuration of all the links or actions > of > > your application > > So does web.xml i guess. > > > > >7. best practices framework bundling > (scaffolding) > > complete with examples (many years of experience > > went > > into this one). > > Same thing as above. There are tutorials, > examples, > > etc... > > > > > > > 8. ease of use > > If you think of a Servlet as an Action its kind of > > as easy. Except for some > > repetative tasks that I would include to complete > > the servlet spec (rather > > than rewrite some of the container functionality > to > > add those utils). > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:42 AM > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > Subject: Re: Struts MVC framework similar to that > of > > a servlet > > container? > > > > > > > > Sandeep, > > You mentioned role based actions in your list... > > which has caught my eye. > > Can you please elaborate on this ? Or point me to > > some documentation ? > > > > thanks > > -raj > > > > > > > > > > "Sandeep Takhar" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: > > "Struts Users > > Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ahoo.com> cc: > > > > Subject: Re: Struts MVC > > framework similar to that of a servlet container? > > 21/07/2003 06:08 > > PM > > Please respond to > > "Struts Users > > Mailing List" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's a lot of stuff it gives you out of the > box. > > > > 1. solid code > > 2. validation framework > > 3. tile framework > > 4. auto-population framework > > 5. role based actions > > 6. xml configuration of all the links or actions > of > > your application > > 7. best practices framework bundling (scaffolding) > > complete with examples (many years of experience > > went > > into this one). > > 8. ease of use > > > > I am missing about twice as many things from this > > list > > I am sure... > > > > the servlet container is sun's way of making sure > > that > > what you build is timeless (and works on their > > servers...) > > > > Struts solves common problems across every typical > > application. The servlet container does not solve > > these typical problems. Struts is really a > > pattern... > > > > sandeep > > --- Ranko Bijelonic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi. I've been using Struts for a long time, and > > > I've been very happy with > > > the framework. However, a recent discussion on > > > Sun's Java forums has left > > > me wondering if Struts is necessary. It seems > > that > > > the servlet container > > > itself provides an MVC framework very similar to > > > that of Struts. All that > > > is missing is some utilities and > standardization. > > I > > > was wondering if there > > > is a flaw in my logic below, and if anyone had > any > > > comments. > > > > > > > > > In comparing these two MVC frameworks, the > servlet > > > container would be the > > > equivalent of the ActionServlet. They both read > > > their configuration files, > > > examine the incoming URL, and then forward the > > > request to the configured > > > handler. In the case of the servlet container > the > > > handlers are Servlet > > > classes, and in the case of Struts its the > Action > > > classes. Both the > > > container and the ActionServlet will create an > > > instance of their handler > > > when its requested the first time. The Servlet's > > > service method and the > > > Action's execute method will call some domain > > logic > > > and then select a view > > > to display to the user. The Servlet can use > > > RequestDispatchers to > > > encapsulate information about the view, and the > > > Action will use an > > > ActionForward. Doesn't this sound very similar? > > > > > > It seems like we are adding a lot of complexity > on > > > top of the servlet spec > > > in order to get some common tasks done for us. > > But > > > that could probably be > > > better done by the servlet container itself. > For > > > example, Struts > > > automatically populates the form class the > > developer > > > specifies for a > > > particular Action. But Sun could provide a > > standard > > > Filter implementation > > > which does the same thing. You can declare > > handlers > > > for your exceptions in > > > the Struts configuration file, but you can also > do > > > it in the web.xml. If > > > the functionality there is not quite the same, > Sun > > > can add a little to the > > > spec and we would get it. > > > > > > My question is, is an application built in > Struts > > > really that much more > > > maintainable than one built with servlets? Or > if > > > some common utilities > > > provided by the Struts container were provided > by > > > the servlet container, > > > would there be much difference? It seems that > > would > > > even be simpler. 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